[NFHS] Violation on free throw shooter?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So you're the only official in America who didn't have a single play in which you could have called a multiple foul by rule?

I don't believe that for one second.

What else can I say, the situation just didn't arise this past year. That's not difficult to believe as unless a try for goal or an airborne shooter is involved, the first foul would make the ball dead on almost all plays.
On the other hand I had three flagrant fouls this season and I hadn't called one of those in about seven years. So this stuff seems random to me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What else can I say, the situation just didn't arise this past year. That's not difficult to believe as unless a try for goal or an airborne shooter is involved, the first foul would make the ball dead on almost all plays.
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Those aren't the only 2 ways to incur a multiple foul. 2 opponents illegally contacting an opponent at the same time occurs quite frequently over the course of a season. And in those cases you pick one and move on.

To say you haven't done the bolded portion would lead me to question your forthrightness on this subject.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Those aren't the only 2 ways to incur a multiple foul. 2 opponents illegally contacting an opponent at the same time occurs quite frequently over the course of a season. And in those cases you pick one and move on.

To say you haven't done the bolded portion would lead me to question your forthrightness on this subject.

And you can do that AND follow the rules. Since ALL fouls are judgment calls with advantage/disadvantage concepts applied, does the one foul impart any more disadvantage than what was already imparted by the other. If not, was the other contact really a foul at all? Seems to me that, by rule, a second contact is not even likely to be a foul unless it is excessive. In that case, you don't really have a multiple foul, you have more.

[rockyroad]

I love it when someone thorws words like "cowardly" or "just in it for the money" around when someone doesn't call things the way they want it called.

Bottom line - no one, let me repeat that, NO ONE calls the rule book exactly the way it it written on every single page. So to call someone cowardly because they don't call the multiple foul rule the way I think they should, opens me up to being called cowardly when I don't call 3 seconds on the team that is down by 30 points with 5 seconds to go in the game. It's counter-productive.

Anyone who says "I will call that no matter what the powers that be say I should do" is already on the downward side of their career.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And you can do that AND follow the rules. Since ALL fouls are judgment calls with advantage/disadvantage concepts applied, does the one foul impart any more disadvantage than what was already imparted by the other. If not, was the other contact really a foul at all? Seems to me that, by rule, a second contact is not even likely to be a foul unless it is excessive. In that case, you don't really have a multiple foul, you have more.

So, in my situation:

B1's contact is what actually affects the shot attempt.
B2's contact is what knocks an already off balance A1 to the floor.

Neither was excessive.

There's no advantage to B2's contact, but it knocked an airborne shooter to the floor.

Was this:
1. No foul (by rule) on B2 as the shot was already gone and there was no advantage?
2. A foul (by rule) on B2 that gets ignored because we're already calling the foul on B1?
3. A foul (by rule) on B2 that gets called in lieu of the foul on B1 because it knocked A1 to the floor?
4. A multiple foul?

I think we'll do a poll.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think we'll do a poll.

Great. Now you guys have gone and done it. This started out as a simple thread on free throws, and now it's come to this. Why couldn't you guys have just called each other some names, and then one of you just pick up your ball and go home? That's the way we settled arguments when we were kids. But, no. Now we have to have a poll. Thank God Jurassic Referee isn't around to see this. We all remember how much he liked polls. I'm positive that he would have told us exactly where we could put our poll. And with that in mind, thank God we're not talking about flag poles. Ouch, just thinking about it.