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This is where I tend to agree...my first thought as I was reading about Rice's antics: This guy sounds and acts a lot like Bobby Knight. That's why I made the statement that I thought Rice would eventually land somewhere in coaching. Maybe not as quick as Knight, but eventually.
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While this thread has certainly taken an interesting turn I think many people are missing this point. We can go back and forth all year giving our opinions on Knight's behavior vs Rice's, on what Knight's practice tapes would have shown had there been more cameras in his era, etc. Most of that is conjecture. The facts are that by the time an actual tape of Knight's misconduct in practice got out there he ALREADY had 3 national titles, a gold medal, 30 years of experience, and numerous former players who would go to bat for him. Mike Rice has NOWHERE close to that resume. NOWHERE CLOSE! AND the tape of his actions is much longer and much worse than any actual tape of Knights in terms of abuse toward players. So this all started when I said I don't see how any school could hire Rice any time soon. And someone disagreed citing Bob Knight. For the purposes of that convo, I think that's an entirely misguided comparison. |
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Have we heard from Kelvin Sampson lately? And Sampson who coached Indiana after Mike Davis left the program, who replaced Knight only committed NCAA recruiting violations. And Sampson was accused of making extra phone calls and texts mostly. Sampson is now an assistant coach for the Houston Rockets and has not been to the college ranks at all since what happened at Indiana. So Rice might work again, but I doubt he will seriously work at a college job for some time. And not with all the stories coming out and negative PR that a school would get for employing a coach that multple times was physically abusing players on video tape. And this is why comparing Knight is silly, because Knight was not accused of many things on tape and in practice. People had to go over a long time to even show where Knight would act up and he won consistently. So Knight got a job because he was a winner, Rice is not. Even Sampson was a winner and where is he now?
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Bad analogy - that was not Sampsons 1st chance. Indiana was his 2nd chance after similarly screwing up at Oklahoma. He got his school 3 years probation, and got canned, but was given another opportunity at Indiana. He screwed up there (twice, actually - once with more phone calls, another with recruiting Gordon) and got canned again.
Wondering where he is now is more like wondering about Knight post-TTech, or about Mike Leach after he screws up at his new place.
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If he were to get fired again for abusing his players - he would be in line with an analogy about Kelvin Sampson - and increasingly unlikely to find another gig.
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More like he was fired for what one high profile individual claimed went on and trumpeted from his position at ESPN. The accuracy of those claims has certainly become suspect at a minimum, appearing to be nothing more than a grudge.
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Sampson is in the NBA. Assistant with the Rockets. |
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And has yet to work on any college campus since his firing at Indiana.
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There is a big difference between the perception of Knight and the reality. Coaches at every level in IN thought that running up and down the sidelines and yelling at players and officials was how Knight coached. They never saw the part about teaching and the fact that he was more sarcastic then mean was lost on a lot of people. I can only speak of personal experience and coaches who 'got it' were great
While he had the least amount of technicals every year at IU, the ones he did get were usually spectacular. (My personal favorite was walking down the court and around the official, Ted V, who tossed him). As for the video tape and the alleged choking, I have to laugh every time I see it. Completely off topic to Rice. |
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And what exactly is funny about it to you? I wonder if it was funny to Neil Reed's parents. Personally, I find choking to be worse than throwing a ball at a kid.
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Considering he didn't actually choke the kid, I find it funny people think he did.
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