Rutgers fires basketball coach after release of video showing player abuse, gay slurs

[MD Longhorn]

Bad analogy - that was not Sampsons 1st chance. Indiana was his 2nd chance after similarly screwing up at Oklahoma. He got his school 3 years probation, and got canned, but was given another opportunity at Indiana. He screwed up there (twice, actually - once with more phone calls, another with recruiting Gordon) and got canned again.

Wondering where he is now is more like wondering about Knight post-TTech, or about Mike Leach after he screws up at his new place.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Bad analogy - that was not Sampsons 1st chance. Indiana was his 2nd chance after similarly screwing up at Oklahoma. He got his school 3 years probation, and got canned, but was given another opportunity at Indiana. He screwed up there (twice, actually - once with more phone calls, another with recruiting Gordon) and got canned again.

Wondering where he is now is more like wondering about Knight post-TTech, or about Mike Leach after he screws up at his new place.

Mike Leach? I thought it had since come out that a lot of the accusations in that case were fabricated or grossly exaggerated....and that it was largely a spat between Leach and Craig James over playing time for James' son....and it is looking like Craig James is really the guilty party in that one.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Mike Leach? I thought it had since come out that a lot of the accusations in that case were fabricated or grossly exaggerated....and that it was largely a spat between Leach and Craig James over playing time for James' son....and it is looking like Craig James is really the guilty party in that one.

Yes, but that's immaterial. He was fired for all that went on, whether you believe his side or Craig James's kid's side. He has since found a new job.

If he were to get fired again for abusing his players - he would be in line with an analogy about Kelvin Sampson - and increasingly unlikely to find another gig.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Yes, but that's immaterial. He was fired for all that went on, whether you believe his side or Craig James's kid's side. He has since found a new job.

More like he was fired for what one high profile individual claimed went on and trumpeted from his position at ESPN. The accuracy of those claims has certainly become suspect at a minimum, appearing to be nothing more than a grudge.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Bad analogy - that was not Sampsons 1st chance. Indiana was his 2nd chance after similarly screwing up at Oklahoma. He got his school 3 years probation, and got canned, but was given another opportunity at Indiana. He screwed up there (twice, actually - once with more phone calls, another with recruiting Gordon) and got canned again.

Wondering where he is now is more like wondering about Knight post-TTech, or about Mike Leach after he screws up at his new place.

Sampson is in the NBA. Assistant with the Rockets.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Sampson is in the NBA. Assistant with the Rockets.

And has yet to work on any college campus since his firing at Indiana.

Peace

[Judtech]

There is a big difference between the perception of Knight and the reality. Coaches at every level in IN thought that running up and down the sidelines and yelling at players and officials was how Knight coached. They never saw the part about teaching and the fact that he was more sarcastic then mean was lost on a lot of people. I can only speak of personal experience and coaches who 'got it' were great
While he had the least amount of technicals every year at IU, the ones he did get were usually spectacular. (My personal favorite was walking down the court and around the official, Ted V, who tossed him).
As for the video tape and the alleged choking, I have to laugh every time I see it.
Completely off topic to Rice.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Judtech

As for the video tape and the alleged choking, I have to laugh every time I see it.

And what exactly is funny about it to you? I wonder if it was funny to Neil Reed's parents. Personally, I find choking to be worse than throwing a ball at a kid.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by zebraman

And what exactly is funny about it to you? I wonder if it was funny to Neil Reed's parents. Personally, I find choking to be worse than throwing a ball at a kid.

Considering he didn't actually choke the kid, I find it funny people think he did.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Considering he didn't actually choke the kid, I find it funny people think he did.

What an odd statement.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Considering he didn't actually choke the kid, I find it funny people think he did.

Anyone who thinks that the tape of Knight is even comparable, let alone worse, than the tape on Rice.......I just don't know what to say.

Amazing how people can see the same things yet have such different views.

[Judtech]

I wonder if there are any openings for a Dodge Ball coach. Rice appears qualified.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Anyone who thinks that the tape of Knight is even comparable, let alone worse, than the tape on Rice.......I just don't know what to say.

It's comparable because he's getting physical with his players. The player is walking down the court and he puts his hands on him enough where it shoves the player's head back.

Is it worse? Not even close.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Amazing how people can see the same things yet have such different views.

This is so completely true and relevant to officiating!! Usually four views of what is happening on the court at any time: Home coach, Visiting coach, Official, and what really happened!

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Coaches at every level in IN thought that running up and down the sidelines and yelling at players and officials was how Knight coached.

It was.

Originally Posted by Judtech

They never saw the part about teaching and the fact that he was more sarcastic then mean was lost on a lot of people.

Having a high graduation rate, caring about the players, and whatever other good things you do doesn't excuse bad behavior though.

Originally Posted by Judtech

As for the video tape and the alleged choking, I have to laugh every time I see it.
Completely off topic to Rice.

He put his hands on one of his players —*grabbing him by the throat.

Seems completely on topic, regardless of whether or not you find the video amusing.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Brad

It was.



Having a high graduation rate, caring about the players, and whatever other good things you do doesn't excuse bad behavior though.



He put his hands on one of his players —*grabbing him by the throat.

Seems completely on topic, regardless of whether or not you find the video amusing.

Didn't grab him by the throat. Put his hand on his chest and moved him backwards. Watch the video tape again. They were practicing against a 1/2 court trap and the player got in front of the ball. A big No No. Knight walked up too him put his hand on his chest and moved him back to proper position.
Look, coaches put their hands on players. It's nearly impossible not to. What Rice did was unacceptable. What Knight did was common.