Louisville-Baylor unsporting situations

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I disagree with the bolded.

The endline camera view of the first play shows the UL player getting up in Griner's face and yelling something at her. It is the definition of taunting.

The second play it looks like the Baylor player took exception to what she thought was a bump/elbow by the UL player taking the ball out for the inbound. Both taunting but I don't see how this was more of a taunt than the first play.

And I could be wrong but from reading your post in the various threads related to this game I'm picking up a very strong anti-Baylor bias.

Simms does the exact same thing and even crosses the endline to go get the girl. Semantics really, as I believe both should have been called. However with the double T it doesn't look like the L-ville player does much.

I have no anti Baylor bias, I in fact grew up and lived for half my life only 45 minutes from Waco. I just think that Mulkey complaining about the game being to physical is the pot calling the kettle black, when she had the most dominating physcial player ever in the womens game. That's all.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Simms does the exact same thing and even crosses the enline to go get the girl. Semantics really, as I believe both should have been called. However with the double T it doesn't look like the L-ville player does much.

I have no anti Baylor bias, I in fact grew up and lived for half my life only 45 minutes from Waco. I just think that Mulkey complaining about the game being to physical is the pot calling the kettle black, when she had the most dominating physcial player ever in the womens game. That's all.

UL player tells Baylor player "scoreboard" by looking at the board and then saying it to her.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

UL player tells Baylor player "scoreboard" by looking at the board and then saying it to her.

Your're right. This game was physical, and like I said earlier. I had no problem with the double T.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Simms does the exact same thing

It's not the exact same thing. The UL player yells something in Griner's face. Simms did not say a word. And if you think it's the exact same thing then how is what the Baylor player did more of a taunt?

I just think that Mulkey complaining about the game being to physical is the pot calling the kettle black, when she had the most dominating physcial player ever in the womens game. That's all.

I disagree with this assessment for a few reasons but that doesnt really matter. But I do find it interesting that as an official you seem to let this perception affect how you see some of the plays/situations involving her team. All IMO of course.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

It's not the exact same thing. The UL player yells something in Griner's face. Simms did not say a word. And if you think it's the exact same thing then how is what the Baylor player did more of a taunt?



I disagree with this assessment for a few reasons but that doesnt really matter. But I do find it interesting that as an official you seem to let this perception affect how you see some of the plays/situations involving her team. All IMO of course.

The UL player should have been stuck, I already said I have no problem with the Double T. All I am saying is that in this particular game the officials decided to let the physical play happen, and Mulkey should be the last person to complain about that.

[Raymond]

On the And-1 the Lead started leaving the scene of the crime and then had to double back. She should have stayed with the play and got Schimmel right away with a T.

[Raymond]

Schimmel is the type of player I'm pregaming with my partner and keeping my eyes on from opening tip.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Schimmel is the type of player I'm pregaming with my partner and keeping my eyes on from opening tip.

+1

Jumped right out at me watching the game.

[MikeCapps]

Agree. Know your teams and players and nip anything in the bud before it ruins your game.

[Judtech]

Calling a T in the first play would have most likely prevented the second situation. By not T'ing the UL player ( who if you read lips dropped the F bomb) you give the impression that its ok to square up on a player, which is exactly what Sims did.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Calling a T in the first play would have most likely prevented the second situation. By not T'ing the UL player ( who if you read lips dropped the F bomb) you give the impression that its ok to square up on a player, which is exactly what Sims did.

Agreed. Now Baylor gets to wonder why they don't get a warning, too.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Agreed. Now Baylor gets to wonder why they don't get a warning, too.

And if they had T'd one of the best players, then they probably do not have to give a T later to the HC. Now they know you mean business and things do not escalate. I am actually surprised by the restraint Griner showed in that game.

Peace

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And if they had T'd one of the best players, then they probably do not have to give a T later to the HC. Now they know you mean business and things do not escalate. I am actually surprised by the restraint Griner showed in that game.

Peace

Agreed.

And another reason why I completely disagree with OKREF's take on the game. There is a huge difference between being physically dominant based on sheer size and athletic ability and being purposely physical in style of play.

The L-Ville coach came in with a calculated strategy to take a bunch of 3s, get physical with Griner, and turn the game into a street fight. It was a great coaching move and his team shot the ball incredibly well. The deserved to win and Baylor did not respond as well as they should have and deserved to lose.

That said, I think the officials did a very poor job of controlling the game and not letting much of the illegal physicality and resulting emotions escalate.

[ref3808]

I don't know what sort of guidance is given to NCAA-W officials, but under Fed I'm going with a T for the Louisville player getting in BG's face.