Trouble Bruin in the Pac-12 - & it Ain't UCLA!

[Andy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Miller's T was an irrelevant news story until Rush's comments came out. It's Rush's fault if Pac-12 officials take an intergrity hit.

My point was that we will never know the whole story of why the T was issued. All we have is Miller's comments about what he said....we don't know what he may have left out or what he did or said that earned the T.

This story comes out and now he can play the "they're out to get me" card, when the T may have been rightly deserved.

If this official was one that didn't routinely issue T's, doesn't that make it seem like this T was earned? That's my take and I will support the officials.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Andy

My point was that we will never know the whole story of why the T was issued. All we have is Miller's comments about what he said....we don't know what he may have left out or what he did or said that earned the T.

This story comes out and now he can play the "they're out to get me" card, when the T may have been rightly deserved.

If this official was one that didn't routinely issue T's, doesn't that make it seem like this T was earned? That's my take and I will support the officials.

Ill support the official too.

[MD Longhorn]

It doesn't surprise me that the majority here support the official or even Rush.

What does surprise me is the lack of understanding that our profession has taken a hit over this. THAT is what is wrong with what Rush said.

[TheOracle]

When one of the top 3 officials in the conference quits citing "personal differences with the direction of the officiating program in the Pac-12" prior to this incident going public, and anonymous sources spilling the beans to the media regarding Rush being a "bully", the organization is in big trouble not from just public perception, but from within as well. Rush tried to change the culture too quickly, and with his general lack of people skills, screwed himself. If an official made that comment? They'd be gone. Even worse from a supervisor. Integrity and character is defined by what you do when nobody is looking. Well, a disgruntled person pulled the curtain back on Ed Rush. So be it.

[johnny d]

Officiating basketball is not a profession for most, if not all, of the posters here. Since we do not make a living doing this it is an avocation. More importantly, this incident will have little to no impact on any of us as officials. The people in the stands already have their minds made up about the overall quality and integrity of officials before they walk into the gym. The people (fans, coaches, adminstrators, and players) involved in the game that are going to be problems to deal were going to be jackasses whether or not this incident ever came to light.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

It doesn't surprise me that the majority here support the official or even Rush.

What does surprise me is the lack of understanding that our profession has taken a hit over this. THAT is what is wrong with what Rush said.

My point exactly

[MD Longhorn]

VaTerp, are you a Court Club member?

[twocentsworth]

Whatever your opinion on this, I think we ALL can agree that Ed Rush forgot the three forms of communication:

1) Telephone
2) Telefax
3) Tell-a-ref

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Whatever your opinion on this, I think we ALL can agree that Ed Rush forgot the three forms of communication:

1) Telephone
2) Telefax
3) Tell-a-ref

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

Peace

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Whatever your opinion on this, I think we ALL can agree that Ed Rush forgot the three forms of communication:

1) Telephone
2) Telefax
3) Tell-a-woman

I fixed that for you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

It doesn't surprise me that the majority here support the official or even Rush.

What does surprise me is the lack of understanding that our profession has taken a hit over this. THAT is what is wrong with what Rush said.

I do not think supporting the officials or not is the point. I just know in experience I have had that things are said behind closed doors and the public would be surprised if they heard those comments.

I also do not think the profession has not taken any more of a hit than anything else. Just go to a fan site and you would see a lot worse said about official for things that are assumed and never public when it comes to an accusation of a conspiracy. There are people in this world that will think everyone is out to get them or has some conspiracy going on and it will involve politicians, the media or officials. I do not think anything has been damaged by this anymore than other things.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I also do not think the profession has not taken any more of a hit than anything else. ... I do not think anything has been damaged by this anymore than other things.

Maybe not "damaged", but you can bet EVERY coach from D1 down to U10 AAU is going to think "Those guys have it in for me" (just like they did for the Arizona coach) every time he/she gets rung up for acting like a jacka$$.

In some sense, this is worse than the Donaghy saga because he was involved with organized crime and betting...two concepts that were pretty unlikely and far removed from a high school game. "Targeting" a coach for inappropriate behavior is a concept that almost every HS coach can own and relate to. Next season should be interesting.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Maybe not "damaged", but you can bet EVERY coach from D1 down to U10 AAU is going to think "Those guys have it in for me" (just like they did for the Arizona coach) every time he/she gets rung up for acting like a jacka$$.

In some sense, this is worse than the Donaghy saga because he was involved with organized crime and betting...two concepts that were pretty unlikely and far removed from a high school game. "Targeting" a coach for inappropriate behavior is a concept that almost every HS coach can own and relate to. Next season should be interesting.

Yup.

I was a varsity asst coach for 2 years for a guy who has been a very successful HS coach and who I consider a friend and still talk to on a regular basis.

I went to watch one of his games last year and afterwards we were talking about a number of things, including the officiating. He swore up and down that one of the officials "had it in for him" and has had something against him for years. I tried to explain that officials don't really think or operate like that but he was convinced.

A situation like this gives validity to those claims. Of course some coaches are going to think like that regardless but we shouldn't be doing things on are end that lend any credence to this notion. And unfortunately that's what Rush did here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Maybe not "damaged", but you can bet EVERY coach from D1 down to U10 AAU is going to think "Those guys have it in for me" (just like they did for the Arizona coach) every time he/she gets rung up for acting like a jacka$$.

I attend a camp every single year that is a college camp for D2 and every year with college officials there are coaches thrown out of a game at an AAU tournament. And the coaches often do not know they are dealing with experienced officials and do not realize we are all not from the same place. So what else is new?

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

In some sense, this is worse than the Donaghy saga because he was involved with organized crime and betting...two concepts that were pretty unlikely and far removed from a high school game. "Targeting" a coach for inappropriate behavior is a concept that almost every HS coach can own and relate to. Next season should be interesting.

This will not even last until the summer in media coverage.

Peace

[Adam]

If coaches think we hold grudges, you'd think they'd behave themselves better.