Trouble Bruin in the Pac-12 - & it Ain't UCLA!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

It doesn't surprise me that the majority here support the official or even Rush.

What does surprise me is the lack of understanding that our profession has taken a hit over this. THAT is what is wrong with what Rush said.

I do not think supporting the officials or not is the point. I just know in experience I have had that things are said behind closed doors and the public would be surprised if they heard those comments.

I also do not think the profession has not taken any more of a hit than anything else. Just go to a fan site and you would see a lot worse said about official for things that are assumed and never public when it comes to an accusation of a conspiracy. There are people in this world that will think everyone is out to get them or has some conspiracy going on and it will involve politicians, the media or officials. I do not think anything has been damaged by this anymore than other things.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I also do not think the profession has not taken any more of a hit than anything else. ... I do not think anything has been damaged by this anymore than other things.

Maybe not "damaged", but you can bet EVERY coach from D1 down to U10 AAU is going to think "Those guys have it in for me" (just like they did for the Arizona coach) every time he/she gets rung up for acting like a jacka$$.

In some sense, this is worse than the Donaghy saga because he was involved with organized crime and betting...two concepts that were pretty unlikely and far removed from a high school game. "Targeting" a coach for inappropriate behavior is a concept that almost every HS coach can own and relate to. Next season should be interesting.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Maybe not "damaged", but you can bet EVERY coach from D1 down to U10 AAU is going to think "Those guys have it in for me" (just like they did for the Arizona coach) every time he/she gets rung up for acting like a jacka$$.

In some sense, this is worse than the Donaghy saga because he was involved with organized crime and betting...two concepts that were pretty unlikely and far removed from a high school game. "Targeting" a coach for inappropriate behavior is a concept that almost every HS coach can own and relate to. Next season should be interesting.

Yup.

I was a varsity asst coach for 2 years for a guy who has been a very successful HS coach and who I consider a friend and still talk to on a regular basis.

I went to watch one of his games last year and afterwards we were talking about a number of things, including the officiating. He swore up and down that one of the officials "had it in for him" and has had something against him for years. I tried to explain that officials don't really think or operate like that but he was convinced.

A situation like this gives validity to those claims. Of course some coaches are going to think like that regardless but we shouldn't be doing things on are end that lend any credence to this notion. And unfortunately that's what Rush did here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Maybe not "damaged", but you can bet EVERY coach from D1 down to U10 AAU is going to think "Those guys have it in for me" (just like they did for the Arizona coach) every time he/she gets rung up for acting like a jacka$$.

I attend a camp every single year that is a college camp for D2 and every year with college officials there are coaches thrown out of a game at an AAU tournament. And the coaches often do not know they are dealing with experienced officials and do not realize we are all not from the same place. So what else is new?

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

In some sense, this is worse than the Donaghy saga because he was involved with organized crime and betting...two concepts that were pretty unlikely and far removed from a high school game. "Targeting" a coach for inappropriate behavior is a concept that almost every HS coach can own and relate to. Next season should be interesting.

This will not even last until the summer in media coverage.

Peace

[Adam]

If coaches think we hold grudges, you'd think they'd behave themselves better.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

If coaches think we hold grudges, you'd think they'd behave themselves better.

Yep. You do not have to worry about a grudge when you behave professionally and sportsmanlike.

Peace

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yep. You do not have to worry about a grudge when you behave professionally and sportsmanlike.

Peace

Not really. That's sort of the point of a grudge. A coach could slap his hands together after a whistle because his player did something stupid. The official thinks he's smacking his hands because he didn't like the call. If they have a grudge, they are giving the T.
Unless you propose coaches just sit there and have no reaction to plays from their team......

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Not really. That's sort of the point of a grudge. A coach could slap his hands together after a whistle because his player did something stupid. The official thinks he's smacking his hands because he didn't like the call. If they have a grudge, they are giving the T.
Unless you propose coaches just sit there and have no reaction to plays from their team......

If a coach sits and is very respectful, does not yell or asks reasonable questions every game, then it would be hard for me or anyone to develop an grudge against you in the first place. I know several coaches that are like that and when they do question a call, they are like EF Hutton when they speak.

And some people would feel that doing what you described as over the top and should be T'd in the first place. Again, you do not have to worry about it if you act appropriately. I see too many coaches that hardly say a word to officials good or bad and no one seems to have a grudge or even mentions them as a problem.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Not really. That's sort of the point of a grudge. A coach could slap his hands together after a whistle because his player did something stupid. The official thinks he's smacking his hands because he didn't like the call. If they have a grudge, they are giving the T.
Unless you propose coaches just sit there and have no reaction to plays from their team......

Do coaches really think grudges come from something like this? I find that hard to believe.