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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree with all the philosophy stuff you've been saying.

But, this one was obvious to me. I saw the posted play. I judged it to be a travel. Then I read the first few comments about how it wasn't. I went back for a closer look. Still a travel to me.

And, just becasue someone did (or might) call this one does NOT mean that they are guessing and might get some others wrong.

Bob, when I have run camps and had HS officials call travels, I often ask them "Which foot was the pivot foot?" Do you realize most look at me with the "I don't know stare." May point is if you are going to call a travel, say why it was a travel, not tell me things that, "He took too many steps" or " "Well he moved from outside the 3 point line." If it was obvious, then that would have never been stated. If it was obvious then you those would have said, The left foot is the pivot foot and he put it back down after he had control. Honestly I think people here got "lucky" rather than knowing why it was a travel.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Bob, when I have run camps and had HS officials call travels, I often ask them "Which foot was the pivot foot?" Do you realize most look at me with the "I don't know stare." May point is if you are going to call a travel, say why it was a travel, not tell me things that, "He took too many steps" or " "Well he moved from outside the 3 point line." If it was obvious, then that would have never been stated. If it was obvious then you those would have said, The left foot is the pivot foot and he put it back down after he had control. Honestly I think people here got "lucky" rather than knowing why it was a travel.

Peace

I do realize that, and I've seen that stare.

But all(?) who in this thread are claiming it was a travel are pretty clearly saying it's because the left foot was the pivot and was put back on the ground.

The announcers, on the other hand, ...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I do realize that, and I've seen that stare.

But all(?) who in this thread are claiming it was a travel are pretty clearly saying it's because the left foot was the pivot and was put back on the ground.

The announcers, on the other hand, ...

All of them did not state that Bob. Some even said they had nothing until it was shown slowed down and the still. Again, we get one shot, not 20 looks.

Peace

[just another ref]

It is possible to correctly call a travel and never know which foot was the pivot.

Player catches the ball with one or both feet on the floor, does a 360 degree spin and winds up several feet away with both feet on the floor again prior to releasing a shot. This is a travel, whether I actually saw his feet move or not. If you want to put it that way, the call was (correctly) made "because it looked funny."

This, in my opinion, is considerably better than missing the call, for whatever reason.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is possible to correctly call a travel and never know which foot was the pivot. Player catches the ball with one or both feet on the floor, does a 360 degree spin and winds up several feet away with both feet on the floor again prior to releasing a shot.

The infamous two pivot feet travel violation. Seldom seen. Seldom called. Seldom photographed. A very rare sighting indeed.

[Johnny Ringo]

Lets talk about spin moves where they player ends a dribble. Almost every case is a travel, but these are rarely called.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Lets talk about spin moves where they player ends a dribble. Almost every case is a travel, but these are rarely called.

I think that's overstating it a bit.

[BayStateRef]

There are a lot of important lessons here for me. Judgment does not just "happen." It comes from a lot of experience, a lot of plays and a willingness to always learn. For those who judged this a travel in real time, the video affirmed that call. Just because it is close is irrelevant. It was a travel and we need to learn the judgment to call it that way every time.

For those who thought it was not a travel, the video proved you wrong. That is another lesson. Video review helps a lot. Get videos. Break them down. Be tough on yourself. For most of my high school games, there is no video. But at some gyms, the local cable stations do a major production...with multiple cameras and their own replays. These videos are excellent.

I had a late season game this year where each coach (and a lot of fans) did not agree with calls. One was a travel. The player lifted her pivot foot before she started her dribble. The video confirmed that my call was correct. I shared it with other officials...and every one said they saw the same thing on the video. But I assure you not every one would have made the call in the game. It was close...but that is no excuse to be wrong.

The other call was 5-seconds closely guarded...with about a minute left in a 1-point game. The video showed it was 6.5 seconds. My count was 6 when I called it....so my count was off by one-half second. I deliberately waited until I got to 6 before making the call. You can rightly question that judgment. The coach couldn't understand how I made that call at "this time of the game." I couldn't understand why his point guard didn't pick up her dribble. The defense was outstanding. I am supposed to ignore that?

Then there was the out of bounds play I got wrong. I did not see a deflection. Everyone else in the gym did. As I watched the video, I kept trying to figure out how I missed it, how I should have moved for a better angle, how I should have noticed the ball change direction (it was slight, but it was clear on the video.)

I am uncomfortable with those who say because it is close, we shouldn't make the call. We are responsible for getting the calls right -- even the close ones. We are expected to see if the foot is on the line or not and rule accordingly. We need to constantly learn how to be better....positioning, recognition, rules knowledge, hustle. They all matter. But so does the recognition that getting a call wrong is not a sin nor a reflection that we are bad officials.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I do realize that, and I've seen that stare.

But all(?) who in this thread are claiming it was a travel are pretty clearly saying it's because the left foot was the pivot and was put back on the ground.

The announcers, on the other hand, ...

Semantics?

How can you take the third alternating-foot step without putting your pivot foot down again?