Why is this travel?

[just another ref]

The dribble ends when the ball is touched with both hands simultaneously or comes to rest in one or both hands. At this point, refer to the pivot foot restrictions.

[potato]

It's hard to imagine someone is able to take 7 steps with the ball on his hand before doing a layup or dunk.

In this case if Jordan was quicker with his feet and wasn't palming, he would do 5 steps in a dribble motion, decides to pick up the ball immediately and does a step through which means he took 7 steps with the ball on his hand (5 while dribbling 2 while holding).

Is there a video that shows similar moves?

Originally Posted by just another ref

The dribble ends when the ball is touched with both hands simultaneously or comes to rest in one or both hands. At this point, refer to the pivot foot restrictions.

[just another ref]

Done with this thread.

[canuckrefguy]

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

I'm getting a constant craving of "Mark this forum read".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by potato

It's hard to imagine someone is able to take 7 steps with the ball on his hand before doing a layup or dunk.

In this case if Jordan was quicker with his feet and wasn't palming, he would do 5 steps in a dribble motion, decides to pick up the ball immediately and does a step through which means he took 7 steps with the ball on his hand (5 while dribbling 2 while holding).

Is there a video that shows similar moves?

Hard to imagine such a play not taking so long that I didn't consider the dribble to be ended. It's not about the steps, though. It's about the duration of time his hand is in contact with the ball.

[potato]

then someone will point out there's no rules saying how long a dribble should last.

also i believe many quick baby steps are achievable even in a short time frame.

and let's not talk about 5-10 steps.

imagine this: a dribbler goes one on one, hands in dribbling motion after 1 bounce, does a quick baby left/right/left moves to confuse the defender, he sees an opening on the right side decides to attack the basket immediately by taking a 2 step step-through without bouncing the ball, based on the rule that there is no limit on how many steps per dribble bounce, and that pivot foot is established the moment you pick up the dribble and you get an extra step on the non-pivot foot for stepping-through, you can do a continuation of 5 steps to attack the basket without re-bouncing the ball. It would be more should the hand still position in dribbling motion when he decide to take the 4th or 5th step forward so if the guy moves really quick it'd be 5-6 steps before he's considered finishing his dribble and another 2 step step through. Sounds awfully wrong and i've never seen anyone doing it but if we based on hand written rule it's achievable for someone really quick. Unless there's another rule to restrict such action.

If we take the Jordan clip, let's assume during that 5 steps, he did 3 steps while really dribbling, then palm it while taking the 4th & 5th steps & lifts off for a shot, would it be allowed?

[bob jenkins]

He's either dribbling or he's holding the ball. Judging that is why we get paid the big bucks.

In practice it's not as hard as you seem to be describing it.

You also seem to want to define everything in overly measurable amounts. That's not the rule and not going to happen.

[#olderthanilook]

jenkins is right, po-tay-to (as samwise gamgee says it). Mash 'em, boil 'em, put 'em in a stew.....

Anyhow, a player is either dribbling or not. The dribble comes to an end when the player holds, passes, attempts a try for goal, is granted a time out, is fouled....or....wait for it.....

....when the ball comes to rest in his hand. If he dribbles after the ball comes to a rest, then the dribble is over because he committed a carrying violation.

If the ol' boy can manage to quadruple time it while dribbling and fit a dozen steps in between dribbles, more power to him. I've actually seen players do something similar - sorta do a standing sprint while maintaining a dribble. It can be confusing to lesser experienced defenders because it does look sorta look goofy, but legal.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by potato

then someone will point out there's no rules saying how long a dribble should last.

also i believe many quick baby steps are achievable even in a short time frame.

and let's not talk about 5-10 steps.

imagine this: a dribbler goes one on one, hands in dribbling motion after 1 bounce, does a quick baby left/right/left moves to confuse the defender, he sees an opening on the right side decides to attack the basket immediately by taking a 2 step step-through without bouncing the ball, based on the rule that there is no limit on how many steps per dribble bounce, and that pivot foot is established the moment you pick up the dribble and you get an extra step on the non-pivot foot for stepping-through, you can do a continuation of 5 steps to attack the basket without re-bouncing the ball. It would be more should the hand still position in dribbling motion when he decide to take the 4th or 5th step forward so if the guy moves really quick it'd be 5-6 steps before he's considered finishing his dribble and another 2 step step through. Sounds awfully wrong and i've never seen anyone doing it but if we based on hand written rule it's achievable for someone really quick. Unless there's another rule to restrict such action.

If we take the Jordan clip, let's assume during that 5 steps, he did 3 steps while really dribbling, then palm it while taking the 4th & 5th steps & lifts off for a shot, would it be allowed?

As bob said, you're not getting a hard and fast measurement here in the rules. I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was hard to imagine. Jordan did a lot of things that were hard to imagine before he did them.

In your last question here, I've got traveling most likely, as by the time he takes those last couple of steps, he's definitely holding the ball, and there's no likely way I can distinguish when he started holding the ball if his hand was on it the whole time.