Why is this travel?

[potato]

Michael Jordan travels 5 steps - YouTube

i've been told you can take as many steps as you want while dribbling. here he merely too 5 steps while ball is still in his hand and he wasn't palming or holding the ball.

[Mark Padgett]

Apparently the official that called this was not aware of the NBE rule that said you cannot use the words "Jordan" and "travel" in the same sentence.

[just another ref]

The ball clearly came to rest in his hand, which ends the dribble.

[potato]

how do you determine the ball came to a rest? it looks like a normal dribble just that Mike did quick steps under the normal dribble time frame that he achieved 5 steps.

alright let's just assume jordan is palming, so if he weren't palming and took the 5 steps, can he follow up with a layup before the ball bounces on the floor, like take off after the 5th step? I though step through only allows an extra step after lifting the pivot foot.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by potato

how do you determine the ball came to a rest? it looks like a normal dribble just that Mike did quick steps under the normal dribble time frame that he achieved 5 steps.

What is a normal dribble time frame? Come to rest is the wording of the rule telling when a dribble ends. The ball was in contact with the hand too long.
There is no specific amount of time, but the violation is obvious in the video.
If the call went against Jordan, you can believe it was real.

[potato]

so if he weren't palming and it was a legal dribble and after he took the 5 steps, can he follow up with a layup/dunk before the next dribble, like take off after the 5th step?

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by potato

Michael Jordan travels 5 steps - YouTube

i've been told you can take as many steps as you want while dribbling. here he merely too 5 steps while ball is still in his hand and he wasn't palming or holding the ball.

I'd like to go back to the video again and talk about a couple of things. The T blows for the violation in this play. However, the camera "ball watches" and moves with MJ to the bucket even after the whistle which means the T's signal for violation goes unseen. There is a very brief moment where it looks as though the T gives a quick signal - and to me, it almost looks as though he show "illegal" dribble, as opposed to the traveling mechanic. (IMO, he doesn't use to hands to dribble, but from the T's angle, maybe that is what he saw. I'd be more inclined to go with a carry if I have anything at all).

I'm watching this w/o earphones, so I can't hear what the announcers are saying (as if that would be of any real help). And, the youtube vid title is obviously about MJ taking 5 steps. So, maybe the author of the OP has been misguided from the beginning. Not sure.

Anyone else notice this or have input?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I'd like to go back to the video again and talk about a couple of things. The T blows for the violation in this play. However, the camera "ball watches" and moves with MJ to the bucket even after the whistle which means the T's signal for violation goes unseen. There is a very brief moment where it looks as though the T gives a quick signal - and to me, it almost looks as though he show "illegal" dribble, as opposed to the traveling mechanic. (IMO, he doesn't use to hands to dribble, but from the T's angle, maybe that is what he saw. I'd be more inclined to go with a carry if I have anything at all).

I'm watching this w/o earphones, so I can't hear what the announcers are saying (as if that would be of any real help). And, the youtube vid title is obviously about MJ taking 5 steps. So, maybe the author of the OP has been misguided from the beginning. Not sure.

Anyone else notice this or have input?

He ended the dribble and started another one. Did he move the pivot in between? Hard to say, but the bottom line is the same.

[potato]

alright guys, let's just leave the extreme number of steps alone.

a 2 steps on a dribble seems normal right?

so let's just assume jordan was dribbling, he took 2 steps while the ball is on the hand with legit dribbling motion, is he allowed to immediately hold the ball, establishing a pivot foot, then steps on his now non-pivot foot and takes off for a layup/dunk?

this in turn would mean a 2 step dribble followed by a 2 step step-through without the ball bouncing on the floor between the 4 steps.

if any kind souls found any videos that shows similar situations it would be great.

[Adam]

Go back to the last sentence of my previous response. That's my answer to you latest question, potato.

[potato]

but if it's just a 2 step dribble, then holding the ball with both hand and does the 2 step step-through it won't be hard to judge when he ended his dribble would he?

in my earlier post & from the video it may be difficult to judge, but if it's just 2+2 or even 1+2 it's much easier to tell right?

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by just another ref

He ended the dribble and started another one. Did he move the pivot in between? Hard to say, but the bottom line is the same.

Not necessarily saying he did or didn't end his dribble....if he did, I'm not sure what defined that moment when it ended. What do you have?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Not necessarily saying he did or didn't end his dribble....if he did, I'm not sure what defined that moment when it ended. What do you have?

The ball came to rest in his hand. This, by definition, ends the dribble.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The ball came to rest in his hand. This, by definition, ends the dribble.

That's what I said in my post.

[QUOTE=#olderthanilook;887114]I'd like to go back to the video again and talk about a couple of things. The T blows for the violation in this play. However, the camera "ball watches" and moves with MJ to the bucket even after the whistle which means the T's signal for violation goes unseen. There is a very brief moment where it looks as though the T gives a quick signal - and to me, it almost looks as though he show "illegal" dribble, as opposed to the traveling mechanic. (IMO, he doesn't use to hands to dribble, but from the T's angle, maybe that is what he saw. I'd be more inclined to go with a carry if I have anything at all).