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Old Mon Mar 25, 2013, 09:29pm
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Southern Miss vs. La Tech NIT video request

14:09 1st half called PC looked like minimal contact.

13:32 1st half called block looked like PC. Close but I have seen that called a PC foul.
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Old Tue Mar 26, 2013, 09:20am
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Here are the plays...





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Old Tue Mar 26, 2013, 09:36am
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Vid #2: The final angle, which gives nearly the same look as the L, shows the defender moved into his final position after the shooter left his feet.

Great call by the L.

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Old Tue Mar 26, 2013, 10:07am
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On the first play, I'd rather see the lead's angle as the camera angle gives very little information on the level of contact that occurred.
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Old Tue Mar 26, 2013, 10:22am
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First one the defender looks to have LGP, angle doesn't show level of contact, but the defender goes down and doesn't appear to over embelish (throwing his head back or yelling).

Second one looked like a charge on the first angle, but from the lower angle I like the block a lot better. Defender was half a step late. Don't think I would argue too loudly with a charge call here either. Really close.
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#1- Honestly cannot tell anything by the angle. I could see a charge if the ball handler "chicken winged" the defender, but you cannot tell that in the video and this angle specifically. I could even see a play through.

#2- I would have liked a charge here. We penalize the defense too much.

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Since these plays were back-to-back, one at each end of the floor, you'd better be really sure that second one is a block.
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Since these plays were back-to-back, one at each end of the floor, you'd better be really sure that second one is a block.
Why?
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Why?
Because that first one was a very questionable PC.
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1 - I don't see a lot there, but conversely don't get enough from that angle to disagree with the call either.

2 - I've got a charge.
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Old Tue Mar 26, 2013, 01:22pm
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In the first one it really looked like the two players were almost moving in the same direction and the offensive player really didn't displace the defender all that much. An angle from the endline would have been good.

I thought #2 was a PC even after watching it again. I think the defender has both feet on the floor and is stopped when the offensive player leaves the floor.

On another note, I could tell the difference in the level of crews working the NCAA tourney and NIT games like this one. That's all I'll say for now.
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On another note, I could tell the difference in the level of crews working the NCAA tourney and NIT games like this one. That's all I'll say for now.
Really? Not sure about that. However, I can tell the difference in the level of play.
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On another note, I could tell the difference in the level of crews working the NCAA tourney and NIT games like this one. That's all I'll say for now.[/QUOTE]

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Since these plays were back-to-back, one at each end of the floor, you'd better be really sure that second one is a block.
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Because that first one was a very questionable PC.
Meaning...you'd be penalizing the same team twice because you may have felt the call at the other end wasn't great.

If there's a PC at one end and a block at the other, so be it but that thinking shouldn't be in our heads. If the call was kicked at LaTech's offensive end just make sure to get the call right at LaTech's defensive end.
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Meaning...you'd be penalizing the same team twice because you may have felt the call at the other end wasn't great.

If there's a PC at one end and a block at the other, so be it but that thinking shouldn't be in our heads. If the call was kicked at LaTech's offensive end just make sure to get the call right at LaTech's defensive end.
He didn't say kick the call on purpose. He said 100% sure you have a block since you just had a very questionable PC foul at the other end against that team.
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