LaSalle/Ole Miss (Video Added)

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by APG

Why would the center be looking back at the coach back there?

Honestly, when this was asked to be posted, I was expecting something a lot worse. This? Wouldn't be paying attention to the coach here.

Because the official facing the bench has the most responsibility for monitoring the table and the benches. If you are the center on FT's, how could you NOT see a coach standing ripping your partner?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Because the official facing the bench has the most responsibility for monitoring the table and the benches. If you are the center on FT's, how could you NOT see a coach standing ripping your partner?

The C is probably doing some other things than worrying about what a coach on the other end is saying. And if the T hears him, that is his threshold that is making him decide if he wants to do something. You should know that we all do not get upset about the same things even if something you personally find over the top. I do not even see someone saying, "That's terrible" as even on my radar. There will be a lot of worse things I might have to address and that comment would be child's play.

Peace

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The C is probably doing some other things than worrying about what a coach on the other end is saying. And if the T hears him, that is his threshold that is making him decide if he wants to do something. You should know that we all do not get upset about the same things even if something you personally find over the top. I do not even see someone saying, "That's terrible" as even on my radar. There will be a lot of worse things I might have to address and that comment would be child's play.

Peace

What else would the C be doing on the dead balls between the free throws? I have my partner's back on that one and I would expect my partner to do the same. "That's awful" in plain view of everyone in the gym four times would be an automatic here. The things the officiating community has come to accept from coaches....

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

What else would the C be doing on the dead balls between the free throws? I have my partner's back on that one and I would expect my partner to do the same. "That's awful" in plain view of everyone in the gym four times would be an automatic here. The things the officiating community has come to accept from coaches....

You mean you'd call a T on a coach 40 feet away who doesn't appear to be yelling that demonstratively but kinda just talking to himself, in a 20,000 seat arena with all kinds of noise, based purely on lip reading? Really? In the absence of any other evidence, seems like fishing to me.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by scrounge

You mean you'd call a T on a coach 40 feet away who doesn't appear to be yelling but kinda just talking to himself, in a 20,000 seat arena with all kinds of noise, based purely on lip reading? Really? In the absence of any other evidence, seems like fishing to me.

From the NCAA rulebook.

Art. 2. Bench personnel committing an unsportsmanlike act including, but
not limited to, the following:
a. Disrespectfully addressing an official.
e. Objecting to an official’s decision by rising from the bench or using
gestures.
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions.

We really get what we deserve. We make excuses like, "I didn't see it," or "my partner can take care of himself (even though his back is to the play)" or "it doesn't bother me" or "that would be fishing."

He just ripped the trail all the way out of backcourt. He isn't talking to himself. And you don't have to give a T if you don't think your assignor would support you, but it does need to be addressed.

We get what we deserve.

[APG]

The C would probably be looking at the shooter and keeping a count instead of looking into the backcourt to keep an eye on a coach 40 feet away.

Anyhow, need to be realistic. There is NO WAY, in a D1, NCAA Tournament game...with less than 2 minutes left in the game of a tight game....no way a coach is going to get a T for saying "That's awful" no matter how many times...and much less get a T 40 FEET away from the action.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by APG

The C would probably be looking at the shooter and keeping a count instead of looking into the backcourt to keep an eye on a coach 40 feet away.

Anyhow, need to be realistic. There is NO WAY, in a D1, NCAA Tournament game...with less than 2 minutes left in the game of a tight game....no way a coach is going to get a T for saying "That's awful" no matter how many times...and much less get a T 40 FEET away from the action.

You don't have to T him. Just turn and say, "that's enough coach" with a stern look and an extended hand. It's funny how we (officials) talk about calling the game the same for the whole 40 minutes and interpreting rules literally. We use it to our defense to defend calls. We make fun of announcers who say, "officials shouldn't decide the game in the last two minutes." But then we say, "I'm not going to worry about the coaches behavior now that it's late and close." Players learn our boundaries and so do coaches. When we change, they will adjust.

A good article that includes some quotes from John Adams about coach behavior:
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/ho...wards-the-refs

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by zebraman

What else would the C be doing on the dead balls between the free throws?

Yeah, I can see how watching a coach who is 40+ feet away and probably not talking loud enough to be heard would be more important than watching the players, who would never think of doing anything illegal while the ball is dead and an official is looking in the wrong direction!

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Yeah, I can see how watching a coach who is 40+ feet away and probably not talking loud enough to be heard would be more important than watching the players, who would never think of doing anything illegal while the ball is dead and an official is looking in the wrong direction!

Novel idea: Do both. Be able to watch the game and control the benches too. I know....... innovative and trendsetting.....