LaSalle/Ole Miss (Video Added)

[Raymond]

On play #2 why is the C calling something all the way over the other side of the lane line right in front of the Trail? And the C had 2 players in between him and the play.

And LaSalle's coach is about 35ft behind the closest official when he is yelling out "awful", nobody is paying attention to him.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

On play #2 why is the C calling something all the way over the other side of the lane line right in front of the Trail? And the C had 2 players in between him and the play.

I'm glad someone else said it, because I was thinking the same thing, but I admit I have a LaSalle bias. (Coach John Giannini was at UMaine before getting the LaSalle job. I got to know Coach G, and he's become my favorite person to ever coach at my alma mater.)

[Bad Zebra]

#2- Ouch...New T had a beautiful view of the play. C had another player between him and the ball handler and reached...badly. Trust your partner...even in the tournament.

[JRutledge]

Play #1 - I have no problem with the call. I think something needed to be called either way and I think this was a foul.

Play #2 - This is pretty much how I feel about this situation.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And LaSalle's coach is about 35ft behind the closest official when he is yelling out "awful", nobody is paying attention to him.

Probably would not have heard him in that setting and probably would not care unless he had been a problem previously. Hard to tell the second part of my assumption.

BTW, I have no problem with the call as he has the play coming at him and an angle on the defender that another official might not. That is the competitive match-up coming at him.

Peace

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And LaSalle's coach is about 35ft behind the closest official when he is yelling out "awful", nobody is paying attention to him.

Sorry, that wouldn't fly in my game and it wouldn't have flown when I had a college supervisor. We always have to know where the coaches are and what they are doing. Part of game management is having being aware of the benches and their conduct.

[OKREF]

I can see not noticing him while they are officiating on the other end. Loud arena, tight game etc..., however if he is still there when they come back towards him, then they need to take care of it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Sorry, that wouldn't fly in my game and it wouldn't have flown when I had a college supervisor. We always have to know where the coaches are and what they are doing. Part of game management is having being aware of the benches and their conduct.

It is not really clear where he is in relation to the officials and it is not clear at all if the officials can hear them. He is talking but this is a rather big arena. For all we know the other coach is talking to the officials. I cannot get on an official just for what we see in this video. If they were right next to the coach I would agree on some level and still would likely be OK if nothing happened. Our focus is always the floor first and then the benches if we are in proximity to them. If not, then I would not expect any official (and harder on a college court) to know what a coach is saying on the other end of the court.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Sorry, that wouldn't fly in my game and it wouldn't have flown when I had a college supervisor. We always have to know where the coaches are and what they are doing. Part of game management is having being aware of the benches and their conduct.

He was in his coaching box, so he is at the 28ft line in the backcourt while the Trail should be at the 28ft line in the front court, so that's 38ft. He's not waving his arms, jumping up and down, or coming on to the court. So he's doing nothing in that large venue that I would be paying attention to at that moment.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He was in his coaching box, so he is at the 28ft line in the backcourt while the Trail should be at the 28ft line in the front court, so that's 38ft. He's not waving his arms, jumping up and down, or coming on to the court. So he's doing nothing in that large venue that I would be paying attention to at that moment.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess it depends on how much emphasis your supervisor (or what's accepted in your area) puts on bench decorum. There is no way the center couldn't at least read his lips during the free throws. With any of the groups I have worked for, if a coach yells, "that's awful," four times during free throws, it needs to be noticed and addressed... especially after he just reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt.

[APG]

Originally Posted by zebraman

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess it depends on how much emphasis your supervisor (or what's accepted in your area) puts on bench decorum. There is no way the center couldn't at least read his lips during the free throws. With any of the groups I have worked for, if a coach yells, "that's awful," four times during free throws, it needs to be noticed and addressed... especially after he just reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt.

Why would the center be looking back at the coach back there?

Honestly, when this was asked to be posted, I was expecting something a lot worse. This? Wouldn't be paying attention to the coach here.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by APG

Why would the center be looking back at the coach back there?

Honestly, when this was asked to be posted, I was expecting something a lot worse. This? Wouldn't be paying attention to the coach here.

Because the official facing the bench has the most responsibility for monitoring the table and the benches. If you are the center on FT's, how could you NOT see a coach standing ripping your partner?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Because the official facing the bench has the most responsibility for monitoring the table and the benches. If you are the center on FT's, how could you NOT see a coach standing ripping your partner?

The C is probably doing some other things than worrying about what a coach on the other end is saying. And if the T hears him, that is his threshold that is making him decide if he wants to do something. You should know that we all do not get upset about the same things even if something you personally find over the top. I do not even see someone saying, "That's terrible" as even on my radar. There will be a lot of worse things I might have to address and that comment would be child's play.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess it depends on how much emphasis your supervisor (or what's accepted in your area) puts on bench decorum. There is no way the center couldn't at least read his lips during the free throws. With any of the groups I have worked for, if a coach yells, "that's awful," four times during free throws, it needs to be noticed and addressed... especially after he just reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt.

Fair enough. Who I work for if that was the reason I gave a T and nothing else, I would probably would not have a happy assignor.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zebraman

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess it depends on how much emphasis your supervisor (or what's accepted in your area) puts on bench decorum. There is no way the center couldn't at least read his lips during the free throws. With any of the groups I have worked for, if a coach yells, "that's awful," four times during free throws, it needs to be noticed and addressed... especially after he just reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt.

The Trail coming up the court and the C during the free-throws is the same official.

And the coach didn't "reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt", the coach's tirade lasted all of maybe 2 seconds and in fact he started backing up towards his bench by the time the Trail was crossing the division line.

[Pantherdreams]

1. Looks a like aflop but he's now falling into the next/play landing area so you are no calling a play that leads to a potential trainwreck. Don't have enough on the replays to say he was wrong though.

2. Coach is at far end commenting. We've got nothing. If Wyatt can curse/lose his mind after missing a shot and fouling at the end of the Temple/Indiana game without anyone batting an eye, a coach off the floor 30 feet from the action has got to be ok