Indiana / Temple

[Triad zebra]

7:25 1st.
Ball hits official who is O/B. They played on??

[JRutledge]

13:10 in the second half.

A spin move by Zeller that resulted in a travel. Might have been a foul and I would like to see it again.

Peace

[OKREF]

3:09 left. Temple drive. Foul called on the shot.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

3:09 left. Temple drive. Foul called on the shot.

And the commentary should be also heard in the video. Those guys are really stupid.

Peace

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

13:10 in the second half.

A spin move by Zeller that resulted in a travel. Might have been a foul and I would like to see it again.

Peace

If it's the same play I am thinking of, it shouldn't have been a travel. It was just a stumble but the pivot foot never returned to the floor before he shot his stumbling reverse lay-up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

If it's the same play I am thinking of, it shouldn't have been a travel. It was just a stumble but the pivot foot never returned to the floor before he shot his stumbling reverse lay-up.

I missed the entire replay, I was thinking the same thing at first. I guess it was a HS type call according to JAR.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I missed the entire replay, I was thinking the same thing at first. I guess it was a HS type call according to JAR.

Peace

What is a HS type call?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is a HS type call?

A call that was not there.

Peace

[just another ref]

Backed up and looked at the play in question. I would love to hear how anybody could say that this wasn't a travel.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A call that was not there.

Peace

Oh, you mean a call that is "technically correct" but "is not made at this level."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Backed up and looked at the play in question. I would love to hear how anybody could say that this wasn't a travel.

Well Z gave you an explanation. I would love to see it again, but I thought it was not a travel when I saw it live. If anything I thought it was a foul that knocked Zeller off balance. But when he threw up the ball I am not convinced he traveled.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Oh, you mean a call that is "technically correct" but "is not made at this level."

No, I mean not there. Not even technically correct.

Like a player bobbling the ball and a travel is called. Or a high dribble is called as a travel or carry call. Or a player that falls to the ground, lost the ball and then when they grab it a travel is called. I can guarantee I can see these will be called when I watch HS games.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Like a player bobbling the ball and a travel is called. Or a high dribble is called as a travel or carry call. Or a player that falls to the ground, lost the ball and then when they grab it a travel is called. I can guarantee I can see these will be called when I watch HS games.

Peace

Sad but true.

But every year NCAA goes further in the other direction.

We all agree, it is better to miss a travel than call one that didn't happen.

But, in my opinion, it is better to call one that isn't there than to miss/ignore
ten.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well Z gave you an explanation. I would love to see it again, but I thought it was not a travel when I saw it live. If anything I thought it was a foul that knocked Zeller off balance. But when he threw up the ball I am not convinced he traveled.

Peace

Could have been a foul, not sure about that. But the travel is undeniable. I thought that the right foot was the pivot, but even if you say no that the gather was still in progress at this point and the left was the pivot, the toe of his left foot hits the floor again before the release.

[JRutledge]

Anytime you miss a call it is bad. But there are some calls that are obvious either way and officials at the HS level or if they have not worked talented players, tend to call anything that looks funny. And I do not see a lot of clear travels missed at the NCAA level. And as I said, if you have to go back and look at slow motion replay to see if a foot slightly moved, but called one that clearly was not there, I will be OK with the one I slightly miss in full speed. Just like I could live with the RA play we have discussed if it is a matter of inches. I want to call the ones that standout.

Peace