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Triad zebra Sun Mar 24, 2013 02:38pm

Indiana / Temple
 
7:25 1st.
Ball hits official who is O/B. They played on??

JRutledge Sun Mar 24, 2013 03:25pm

13:10 in the second half.

A spin move by Zeller that resulted in a travel. Might have been a foul and I would like to see it again.

Peace

OKREF Sun Mar 24, 2013 03:55pm

3:09 left. Temple drive. Foul called on the shot.

JRutledge Sun Mar 24, 2013 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 886538)
3:09 left. Temple drive. Foul called on the shot.

And the commentary should be also heard in the video. Those guys are really stupid.

Peace

zebraman Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:22pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 886521)
13:10 in the second half.

A spin move by Zeller that resulted in a travel. Might have been a foul and I would like to see it again.

Peace

If it's the same play I am thinking of, it shouldn't have been a travel. It was just a stumble but the pivot foot never returned to the floor before he shot his stumbling reverse lay-up.

JRutledge Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:23pm

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Originally Posted by zebraman (Post 886546)
If it's the same play I am thinking of, it shouldn't have been a travel. It was just a stumble but the pivot foot never returned to the floor before he shot his stumbling reverse lay-up.

I missed the entire replay, I was thinking the same thing at first. I guess it was a HS type call according to JAR. ;)

Peace

just another ref Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 886547)
I missed the entire replay, I was thinking the same thing at first. I guess it was a HS type call according to JAR. ;)

Peace



What is a HS type call?

JRutledge Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:28pm

And it was a joke.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 886548)
What is a HS type call?

A call that was not there. ;)

Peace

just another ref Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:30pm

Backed up and looked at the play in question. I would love to hear how anybody could say that this wasn't a travel.

just another ref Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 886549)
A call that was not there. ;)

Peace

Oh, you mean a call that is "technically correct" but "is not made at this level."

JRutledge Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 886550)
Backed up and looked at the play in question. I would love to hear how anybody could say that this wasn't a travel.

Well Z gave you an explanation. I would love to see it again, but I thought it was not a travel when I saw it live. If anything I thought it was a foul that knocked Zeller off balance. But when he threw up the ball I am not convinced he traveled.

Peace

JRutledge Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 886551)
Oh, you mean a call that is "technically correct" but "is not made at this level."

No, I mean not there. Not even technically correct.

Like a player bobbling the ball and a travel is called. Or a high dribble is called as a travel or carry call. Or a player that falls to the ground, lost the ball and then when they grab it a travel is called. I can guarantee I can see these will be called when I watch HS games.

Peace

just another ref Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:44pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 886553)
Like a player bobbling the ball and a travel is called. Or a high dribble is called as a travel or carry call. Or a player that falls to the ground, lost the ball and then when they grab it a travel is called. I can guarantee I can see these will be called when I watch HS games.

Peace

Sad but true.

But every year NCAA goes further in the other direction.

We all agree, it is better to miss a travel than call one that didn't happen.

But, in my opinion, it is better to call one that isn't there than to miss/ignore
ten.

just another ref Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:47pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 886552)
Well Z gave you an explanation. I would love to see it again, but I thought it was not a travel when I saw it live. If anything I thought it was a foul that knocked Zeller off balance. But when he threw up the ball I am not convinced he traveled.

Peace

Could have been a foul, not sure about that. But the travel is undeniable. I thought that the right foot was the pivot, but even if you say no that the gather was still in progress at this point and the left was the pivot, the toe of his left foot hits the floor again before the release.

JRutledge Sun Mar 24, 2013 04:51pm

Anytime you miss a call it is bad. But there are some calls that are obvious either way and officials at the HS level or if they have not worked talented players, tend to call anything that looks funny. And I do not see a lot of clear travels missed at the NCAA level. And as I said, if you have to go back and look at slow motion replay to see if a foot slightly moved, but called one that clearly was not there, I will be OK with the one I slightly miss in full speed. Just like I could live with the RA play we have discussed if it is a matter of inches. I want to call the ones that standout.

Peace


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