BI on Joakim Noah (video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I thought GT on the original angle. It's not as though the ball was going to change direction without any help.

If Noah had any guts, he would've told his coach he touched it so the guy wouldn't have nearly burst a blood vessel when the crew made its ruling.

Everyone knew Noah touched the ball, everybody not knowing the rule is what caused the announcers and Thibodeaux to sound/look like fools.

[ballgame99]

Bulls fans need to ask themselves, would they have wanted goaltending if a defender had gone up and swatted that ball away? If so, then the offensive guy can't go up and do the same thing, right? That ball looked a bit short, but it still had a chance.

[Raymond]

And it's a violation in NFHs rule set also. Makes no distinction as to whether it's an offensive or defensive player:

Rule: 4-22


Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight, or an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

[MathReferee]

Obviously goaltending, but was Thibodeau more upset over the no call a couple plays earlier when Denver did a similar act?

[MD Longhorn]

Blatant goaltending, and idiotic commentary --- even by commentary's normal standards of idiocy.

[APG]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Blatant goaltending, and idiotic commentary --- even by commentary's normal standards of idiocy.

They were too caught up in the offensive basket interference portion of the play (which is a valid consideration on this play)...and didn't realize...or probably don't know that the same goaltending restrictions that apply to the defense apply to the offense. Not sure if most commentators know it either.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by AustinRef

Obviously goaltending, but was Thibodeau more upset over the no call a couple plays earlier when Denver did a similar act?

Video please.

[referee99]

... downward flight... chance to go in. Pretty simple.

[Camron Rust]

Wow....how far off base could the announcers be? They had absolutely no clue.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Wow....how far off base could the announcers be? They had absolutely no clue.

I'd like to see the NBA have a rules clinic and/or test for all announcers. These guys have no idea what a disservice they're doing to the game when they're passing on bad information, and I think they'd be surprised what they've been getting wrong.

I'd actually like to see such announcer clinics for NCAA broadcasters, too, but that would be more difficult to enforce. You would think the NBA could take a little more control of that.

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Video please.

First attempt at this, so be gentle.



I am not sure how to embed it to make it start at the right spot, but fast-forward to the 1:24 mark to see the play I am referring to.

When I first saw replay this morning I thought the tip on this play happened as ball was on its way to basket, but now I see that it was when ball was coming off of rim. Thus, I think it is correct since ball was out of cylinder. I have both calls (no call and call) as correct.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AustinRef

First attempt at this, so be gentle.
...video...

I am not sure how to embed it to make it start at the right spot, but fast-forward to the 1:24 mark to see the play I am referring to.

When I first saw replay this morning I thought the tip on this play happened as ball was on its way to basket, but now I see that it was when ball was coming off of rim. Thus, I think it is correct since ball was out of cylinder. I have both calls (no call and call) as correct.

I don't know, that appeared to be on the cylinder.

[bob jenkins]

There's also a tip by the bulls at about 1:45 - 1:50 on the tape that's very similar to the nuggets' tip.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't know, that appeared to be on the cylinder.

One would have been BI and the other would have been GT. I think the first play was BI, but a very close call.

Peace

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't know, that appeared to be on the cylinder.

I think it's about as close as it can be, and would not have a problem either way. Although the plays are different in rules references, the point is that from a players/coach perspective, they see them as the same types of plays deserving similar results and so I can see why the reaction on Noah's.