BI on Joakim Noah (video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AustinRef

First attempt at this, so be gentle.
...video...

I am not sure how to embed it to make it start at the right spot, but fast-forward to the 1:24 mark to see the play I am referring to.

When I first saw replay this morning I thought the tip on this play happened as ball was on its way to basket, but now I see that it was when ball was coming off of rim. Thus, I think it is correct since ball was out of cylinder. I have both calls (no call and call) as correct.

I don't know, that appeared to be on the cylinder.

[bob jenkins]

There's also a tip by the bulls at about 1:45 - 1:50 on the tape that's very similar to the nuggets' tip.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's also a tip by the bulls at about 1:45 - 1:50 on the tape that's very similar to the nuggets' tip.

Agreed.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't know, that appeared to be on the cylinder.

One would have been BI and the other would have been GT. I think the first play was BI, but a very close call.

Peace

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't know, that appeared to be on the cylinder.

I think it's about as close as it can be, and would not have a problem either way. Although the plays are different in rules references, the point is that from a players/coach perspective, they see them as the same types of plays deserving similar results and so I can see why the reaction on Noah's.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AustinRef

I think it's about as close as it can be, and would not have a problem either way. Although the plays are different in rules references, the point is that from a players/coach perspective, they see them as the same types of plays deserving the similar results and so I can see why the reaction on Noah's.

Players do not know rules. There reaction is irrelevant. Players think GT is when the play is BI. If that is the case then why to players and coaches react when someone slaps the backboard? Now the NBA rule is different, but HS and college players think that is GT.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Players do not know rules. There reaction is irrelevant. Players think GT is when the play is BI. If that is the case then why to players and coaches react when someone slaps the backboard? Now the NBA rule is different, but HS and college players think that is GT.

Peace

That is merely a confusion in terminology...mixing two terms that are both used in essentially the same context. That is not a big deal. It wouldn't bother me one bit if they merged the two into one.

[SAJ]

Here's some more info on both plays being discussed - link

[FMadera]

Ok, using the relevant rules, what makes this particularly confusing is that replay can be used if a violation was called. In this case, while the NBA says that Noah was called for a violation, and thus, the play was reviewable. However, there sure wasn't much indication that a violation was called, which probably lead to the confusion as to why one was reviewed and the other was not.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SAJ

Here's some more info on both plays being discussed - link

That writer suggests switching to FIBA rules regarding GT/BI. Unfortunately, he apparently doesn't understand those either. Even under FIBA rules, Noah's actions would still be GT since it had not yet hit the rim. FIBA rules would have made the tip-in by Koufos legal since it had already contacted the rim.

So, in effect, it was called by FIBA rules.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That is merely a confusion in terminology...mixing two terms that are both used in essentially the same context. That is not a big deal. It wouldn't bother me one bit if they merged the two into one.

Either way these are two different terminologies and if you cannot distinguish it shows a lack of knowledge of what you would be complaining about. Words that have different definitions matter and this is not unique to rules or sports.We could be talking about the law or academia and come to the same conclusion when people do not know the difference in basic definitions. It is not about what bothers you or me, it is just clear that these two situations still have different applications because they were different acts.

Peace

[APG]

From the second clip:

The first play is close...under NBA rules, if the ball is on the rim, but falling off the edge, then it's legal for either team to touch the ball. I think the Nuggets play JUST starts to touch the ball as the ball is falling off the edge, thus making it a legal play and a no call correct.

Joakim's first tip in play (from the 2nd clip posted) looks legal to me.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

From the second clip:

The first play is close...under NBA rules, if the ball is on the rim, but falling off the edge, then it's legal for either team to touch the ball. I think the Nuggets play JUST starts to touch the ball as the ball is falling off the edge, thus making it a legal play and a no call correct.

Joakim's first tip in play looks legal to me.

Odd rule for the NBA....so much more subjective than being over the rim or not. I'd bet that if the defender had taken if off the rim at that time, they would have called BI/GT and if they didn't, the Nuggets and fans would be just as outraged.


Now, how could Joakim's contact be legal at any level? It was a try that was on the way down, was above the rim, and had a chance to go in????

It wasn't an alley oop, which only becomes legal to grab because it is off to the side/front of the basket....where it isn't going in.