Putting hands on official? (Video added)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

So, are you saying both Harrisburg and the IHSA are lying in the IHSA press release?

Or did the official change his story about what was said?

Or was the official and Harrisburg's coach not close enough to the action to substantiate the claims?

I am not really sure what they are denying. There were more than one accusation of inappropriate conduct and comment. Are they talking about the play where there Seton player was ejected? Are they talking about when the Harrisburg player was given a T? Or were they talking about other incidents? I am talking about a very specific incident and have probably read a little more about this and talked to people more than what was addressed in this specific article. This is not the only article on the topic. And IMO, the Harrisburg people are not addressing, nor would I expect them to address all accusations about their conduct.

All I know is there was a conversation with the Harrisburg coach and the official as to what was said by a player. And when pressed about it by an evaluator, he stated the T was given for another reason. And I can assume that both parties were talked to independently and asked what was said at the time.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Here's part of a Hickman statement to the Tribune on March 12:

"To indicate that the referees ignored or failed to act in any way would be entirely inaccurate," (Hickman) said. "The objective of our investigation is to now determine and verify exactly what occurred on the court during the course of the game."

So a few days afterwards he was sure the officials handled things properly but a month later he changes his tune? A lot of people must have had a lot of stories to tell over the past four weeks.

[zebraman]

The contest officials have been reprimanded for failure to enforce the bench conduct rule during the championship game.

So many officials fail to address the coaching box or coach behavior for the excuses that have been listed so many times here. It's just as important to ref the sidelines as it is to ref on the court. It takes more courage though.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

The contest officials have been reprimanded for failure to enforce the bench conduct rule during the championship game.

So many officials fail to address the coaching box or coach behavior for the excuses that have been listed so many times here. It's just as important to ref the sidelines as it is to ref on the court. It takes more courage though.

I honestly think that was said to not get that specific about what was really the issue. Yes they gave a coaching box warning, but that coach should have been T'd and I was surprise watching live that is not what happened. His antics were over the top much of the first half.

Peace

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I honestly think that was said to not get that specific about what was really the issue. Yes they gave a coaching box warning, but that coach should have been T'd and I was surprise watching live that is not what happened. His antics were over the top much of the first half.

Peace

That is exactly my point. As officials, we continue to fail to take care of business.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not really sure what they are denying.

Peace

Maybe this will clarify it.

http://http://thesouthern.com/news/local/state-and-regional/harrisburg-continues-to-deny-seton-academy-racism-claims/article_a234bafa-9243-11e2-925f-001a4bcf887a.html

[JRutledge]

I am not looking for clarification. They did not address a specific situation where there player was accused of using a very specific term and that is all I am focusing on. And that comment was not specifically addressed in any article.

Peace

[Jesse James]

Your words---"Funny, no denying the fact his kid used a racial slur and allowed to stay in the game. And the coach was told by one of the officials they heard such racial comment and was penalized as such."

Which can only refer to one incident, since that was the only one "penalized as such" against Harrisburg the entire game.

And that incident involved one of the kids quoted in the article, who flatly denies it.

Of course you're not looking for clarification. You said Harrisburg isn't denying a specific incident, when they most certainly are.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Your words---"Funny, no denying the fact his kid used a racial slur and allowed to stay in the game. And the coach was told by one of the officials they heard such racial comment and was penalized as such."

Which can only refer to one incident, since that was the only one "penalized as such" against Harrisburg the entire game.

And that incident involved one of the kids quoted in the article, who flatly denies it.

Of course you're not looking for clarification. You said Harrisburg isn't denying a specific incident, when they most certainly are.

I know a little bit more about the situation than was reported. And I have yet to hear them address that specific situation. Now if you are not aware there were several accusations thrown around. Sorry that your knowledge of this is only confined to what you read. I have spoken to people that were involved and there were other accusations. I am not hearing Harrisburg deny those claims and honestly I do not know which claim they are addressing. If you want to know the truth, there were two different situations where a racial slur was accused of being used that were measurable by an event. One took place during the T the Harrisburg player was given in the first half and the other was during the time Seton player was given two Ts and ejected. They were very vague in who they were referring to and what they claimed their kid did not say. But this is high school so I do not expect them to say which kid they are denying because that could result in a specific response from the Seton side. So you deny it all took place and then no one can counter your specific claim or comment. And that has nothing to do with what was told to why one of the players was given a T and what the official told his partners and the evaluator at halftime.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

One took place during the T the Harrisburg player was given in the first half and the other was during the time Seton player was given two Ts and ejected.

So #55 Blue and #11 Blue (the son of the HC). You can't see anything on the broadcast angles, at least what was shown to the public. Doubtful either would admit to anything. They said on the broadcast #55 has a football scholarship to Southern Illinois so he's not talking and I'm guessing the HC's son will keep quiet too.

From experience my guess is any of the video from the end line camera angles - which would be the best to see what was/wasn't said - is already gone so we'll be left with "he said, he said."

[JRutledge]

I do not think we would know what was said for ourselves unless the players were miked.

Peace