Putting hands on official? (Video added)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I worked in Illinois as an official with reciprocity for at least 5 years and I never once worked a 1A or 2A game.

If you worked for Bob B that would have been the case for sure. About the only one that I can think of at the time you could have worked in the Big Northern Conference and at the time worked smaller schools, but now many of those schools are 3A schools and I would be lucky to work 2 of those games at all during the season. I would work a handful of those games and still not come up to the subscribed number the IHSA looks for.

I did in the last few years work with some friends near my home town, but we are talking well outside of Chicago and mostly an off day game to work any very small schools. I also work college so any other open dates those fill up my schedule.

Peace

[eyezen]

Coaches involved receive probation and post-season bans...

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[fullor30]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Coaches involved receive probation and post-season bans...

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He should get a five year ban for that tie......Good God

[dsqrddgd909]

Sounds like the superintendent needs some sort of discipline as well:
"I think everything Randy did was taken care of by the official, and it was normal basketball coaching behavior,” said Harrisburg superintendent Dennis Smith. “This is a make-up call for what Seton Academy did. The IHSA had to do something after releasing that initial statement so quickly.

“Seton Academy’s behavior was despicable, and I am offended that our kids, coaches and school have been maligned because of it.”

[SE Minnestoa Re]

I'm sure that when the state association reads the supt's comments that they will be having a little chat.

[JetMetFan]

Here's another article with a little more information.

'Ugly and embarrassing': IHSA levys sanctions against Harrisburg and Seton Academy | Boys Prep Basketball | News Democrat

Obviously there was a heck of a lot that went on which we couldn't see on the broadcast. As far as the officials go, we all discussed it earlier in the thread: Be prepared. The crew for this game looked as though it was struggling from the start.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Sounds like the superintendent needs some sort of discipline as well:
"I think everything Randy did was taken care of by the official, and it was normal basketball coaching behavior,” said Harrisburg superintendent Dennis Smith. “This is a make-up call for what Seton Academy did. The IHSA had to do something after releasing that initial statement so quickly.

“Seton Academy’s behavior was despicable, and I am offended that our kids, coaches and school have been maligned because of it.”

Funny, no denying the fact his kid used a racial slur and allowed to stay in the game. And the coach was told by one of the officials they heard such racial comment and was penalized as such. That also does not take into account the behavior by fans that took place and were heard by Marty Hickman or people around Marty Hickman and the comments yelled onto the court. So there was a little more to this than any comments in any article.

Peace

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Funny, no denying the fact his kid used a racial slur and allowed to stay in the game. And the coach was told by one of the officials they heard such racial comment and was penalized as such. That also does not take into account the behavior by fans that took place and were heard by Marty Hickman or people around Marty Hickman and the comments yelled onto the court. So there was a little more to this than any comments in any article.

Peace

Uhmm, there's plenty of denying. Harrisburg's denying. The IHSA's words, "after discussions with those on and closest to the action, we were unable to substantiate those claims"

So which is it?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Uhmm, there's plenty of denying. Harrisburg's denying. The IHSA's words, "after discussions with those on and closest to the action, we were unable to substantiate those claims"

So which is it?

They are not publicly denying the specifics, which to some have knowledge of what was done or said. Actually no one in the paper has reported some actual comments that were made during the game (and at halftime) and what the officials told their superiors as to why they gave a T. I do not think Harrisburg wants to go there. They even did not say what the Seton players did while complaining they were penalized. It is pretty obvious that many things were stated behind the scenes to protect those that could have been named specifically.

And the funny part about all this, the Harrisburg coach got off easy. He was put on probation, not suspended. The Seton Coach was suspended during the post season for 2 years. And unless I missed something that was not negotiable.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And the coach was told by one of the officials they heard such racial comment and was penalized as such.

That explains a lot. I wouldn't think the officials would face a "reprimand" for just mishandling the coaching box situation.

[Jesse James]

"Harrisburg admits that an inappropriate comment was made by one of its players, but that it was not of a racial nature......"

I don't know if Harrisburg is telling the truth or lying.

But I find it funny it's not recognized as a denial.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

"Harrisburg admits that an inappropriate comment was made by one of its players, but that it was not of a racial nature......"

I don't know if Harrisburg is telling the truth or lying.

But I find it funny it's not recognized as a denial.

I will just say, an official heard the comments. The official told the coach why he gave a penalty. And the coach told IHSA people what he was told by the official. And if you read this thread rather early, one of the officials was going around telling people what the calling official said why he gave a T. And yes, they are not denying specific, just trying to say, "Well they were bad too." Not good enough if you ask me.

Peace

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I will just say, an official heard the comments. The official told the coach why he gave a penalty. And the coach told IHSA people what he was told by the official. And if you read this thread rather early, one of the officials was going around telling people what the calling official said why he gave a T. And yes, they are not denying specific, just trying to say, "Well they were bad too." Not good enough if you ask me.

Peace

So, are you saying both Harrisburg and the IHSA are lying in the IHSA press release?

Or did the official change his story about what was said?

Or was the official and Harrisburg's coach not close enough to the action to substantiate the claims?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

So, are you saying both Harrisburg and the IHSA are lying in the IHSA press release?

Or did the official change his story about what was said?

Or was the official and Harrisburg's coach not close enough to the action to substantiate the claims?

I am not really sure what they are denying. There were more than one accusation of inappropriate conduct and comment. Are they talking about the play where there Seton player was ejected? Are they talking about when the Harrisburg player was given a T? Or were they talking about other incidents? I am talking about a very specific incident and have probably read a little more about this and talked to people more than what was addressed in this specific article. This is not the only article on the topic. And IMO, the Harrisburg people are not addressing, nor would I expect them to address all accusations about their conduct.

All I know is there was a conversation with the Harrisburg coach and the official as to what was said by a player. And when pressed about it by an evaluator, he stated the T was given for another reason. And I can assume that both parties were talked to independently and asked what was said at the time.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Here's part of a Hickman statement to the Tribune on March 12:

"To indicate that the referees ignored or failed to act in any way would be entirely inaccurate," (Hickman) said. "The objective of our investigation is to now determine and verify exactly what occurred on the court during the course of the game."

So a few days afterwards he was sure the officials handled things properly but a month later he changes his tune? A lot of people must have had a lot of stories to tell over the past four weeks.