"Continuous" issues...

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Without even looking at these plays, I can tell you that, in general, officials do a VERY poor job of determining when the act of shooting begins.

Saw an official in a Jr Hi game actually say: "Coach, she wasn't in the act of shooting because she didn't get the ball above her shoulders".....ugh!

The "continuous motion rule" is actually the same at all levels: NBA, NCAA, NFHS.

fwiw... I'll watch the plays now....

Just as I suspected.....ALL plays were incorrectly called (re:continuous motion).

[JRutledge]

All of these were incorrectly called. Sad, but that is what officials tend to do in these situations.

Peace

[scrounge]

I can at least see an argument on #3 - though I still think it's shooting - but the rest seem pretty clear cut. Especially #5 - how that wasn't called a shooting foul, I have no idea.

[Pantherdreams]

1,2,3 send them to the line.

4,5 if the contact is during the shooting motion then send them. There is arms and pushing in both prior to any motion and on a patient whistle they may be going back and getting that.

Based on when the whistles occured in each though I'm sending them to the line.

[JetMetFan]

So are we - as H.S. officials - worried we'll take grief for making "NBA calls?"

What bothered me even more about these plays is they're in the playoffs. I would assume - based on my own experiences - playoff officials have some level of college experience so they should have worked out the kinks on these calls.

I agree with the idea of forcefully suggesting to the calling officials that A1 was in the act ("Joe, you have her/him shooting?!"). Maybe it jolts them a little to realize what they should do. In #3 it would've been tough because the calling official (the L) was waving it off so emphatically. At any rate, all five had me shouting "What?!" when I saw them the first time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

So are we - as H.S. officials - worried we'll take grief for making "NBA calls?"

What bothered me even more about these plays is they're in the playoffs. I would assume - based on my own experiences - playoff officials have some level of college experience so they should have worked out the kinks on these calls.

The college thing would not be a factor here and honestly I see HS only guys love to wave off shots. And in my experience a lot of college guys around this part of the country (what they tell me) is they do not work a lot of HS ball at all.

Peace

[OKREF]

1,2,4, and 5 for certain. On 3, looks like the shooting motion started after the foul.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

in my experience a lot of college guys around this part of the country (what they tell me) is they do not work a lot of HS ball at all.

Fair enough. Again, I was giong on my experiences in my neck of the woods. Once we hit the QF in the NYC playoffs we start using 3-person crews. I can't think of the last time I saw an official on one of those games who didn't work a decent amount (15-20 games/season) of college ball as well.

On a different note: for those who think play #3 could be a non-shooting foul I'm curious as to why. Regarding OKREF's comment, her shooting motion may have started after she was hit but the habitual motion before the shot appears to have begun prior to the hit.