Communicating with Coaches

[maven]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I've never tried, "we will have to agree to disagree and move on." I have used, "absolutely a foul (or no foul) coach." and then I move on.

Coaches call that "being unapproachable," and often hold such officials in low(er) regard. Many officials don't care, and this point will fail to move them.

You can give a coach his say without being a pushover and without permitting him to be an a$$hat. It's not an either/or situation. Finding the right balance is a real art, but it distinguishes the best officials, IMO.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by maven

Coaches call that "being unapproachable," and often hold such officials in low(er) regard.

I don't agree with this at all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by maven

Coaches call that "being unapproachable," and often hold such officials in low(er) regard. Many officials don't care, and this point will fail to move them.

And if they do, Who cares!!! I will be around or have been around longer than they will. I have even told coaches "I will stop talking to you until you have something more repectful to say."

We worry way too much about what coaches think. And I say that with coaches and a ratings system they are involved in my state.

Peace

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We worry way too much about what coaches think. And I say that with coaches and a ratings system they are involved in my state.

Peace

This is very close to my belief and I too come from a rating system that until this year was 100% coaches' rating. This year it is 50%.

I prefer to say, I think we worry too much about trying to manipulate an amicable solution to every situation a coach throws at us. Call a good game, be respectful. The rest will work itself out.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

Call a good game, be respectful. The rest will work itself out.

+1

We will never win in a confrontation with a Coach. It doesn't matter how far across the line he/she goes - what the tape will show is our bad behavior back.

Friend of mine put it this way to me a few years ago - "Never get into a pissing match with a Coach. They will always be bigger pissers than we are."
(RIP Jurassic)

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

+1

We will never win in a confrontation with a Coach. It doesn't matter how far across the line he/she goes - what the tape will show is our bad behavior back.

Friend of mine put it this way to me a few years ago - "Never get into a pissing match with a Coach. They will always be bigger pissers than we are."(RIP Jurassic)

Pure gold

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by maven

coaches call that "being unapproachable," and often hold such officials in low(er) regard.

Originally Posted by smitty

i don't agree with this at all.

+1

Originally Posted by jrutledge

and if they do, who cares!!!

Originally Posted by jrutledge

we worry way too much about what coaches think.

+1000

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by maven

Coaches call that "being unapproachable," and often hold such officials in low(er) regard. Many officials don't care, and this point will fail to move them.

The way a coach talks to me shows what kind of regard he has for me. If he's being an a$$-hole in my game I don't care what he thinks about me tomorrow. He's going to correct his behavior today. If a coach wants an official to be approachable than that coach needs to be respectful. I've dealt with plenty of coaches who understand this and are successful coaches. I know in my 5 seasons of college games I have yet to come across a HC who turns into a douchebag, no matter how unhappy they may be. They have learned to get their points across and even earn some T's without crossing that line of being personally disrespectful.

Originally Posted by maven

You can give a coach his say without being a pushover and without permitting him to be an a$$hat. It's not an either/or situation. Finding the right balance is a real art, but it distinguishes the best officials, IMO.

This I agree with.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by maven

Coaches call that "being unapproachable," and often hold such officials in low(er) regard. Many officials don't care, and this point will fail to move them.

A$$hat coaches call any official who won't stand there and take a bunch of whining and complaining as being unapproachable.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Rich

A$$hat coaches call any official who won't stand there and take a bunch of whining and complaining as being unapproachable.

True enough, and they're wrong in their conception of what 'unapproachable' means.

That's not a reason to be unapproachable.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by maven

True enough, and they're wrong in their conception of what 'unapproachable' means.

That's not a reason to be unapproachable.

I think the point is we need to stop listening to coaches about what we should or should not do.

Peace

[Scratch85]

I call a fifth foul on a player in a close game. As I am reporting, I can hear coach start the questioning. The table tells me it is the players 5th foul. The following is almost verbatim what happened next.

Me: "Coach, 5 fouls on player X"

Coach: "Just tell me what he did."

Me: Take a couple of steps back toward the table and say, "Start the timer." Then turn and walk back to coach.

Coach: "He had 4 fouls he was going away from the shooter."

Horn Sounds

Me: "Coach you have :15 to sub someone."

At this point the coach gets a sub in the game and we move on. I never once responded to what he was saying or asking and when it was over, we were both happy. He obviously did not want an answer to his question. He wanted to voice his opinion and displeasure and I wanted to move on. We both got what we wanted and neither of acted like an idiot. Love it when that happens.

[maven]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think the point is we need to stop listening to coaches about what we should or should not do.

Peace

That might be your point. I don't think it was Rich's, and if it was, he's incorrect.

We need to listen to anyone's reasonable requests.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by maven

That might be your point. I don't think it was Rich's, and if it was, he's incorrect.

We need to listen to anyone's reasonable requests.

Well that is not what the conversation was about or Rich's comments seemed to be based on. I am sure he can speak for himself, but if you have a coach being an a$$ all the time about every other call, no you do not have to listen to any of their requests from my point of view. And there comes a time when requests are certainly not reasonable or when given an answer there is an interrpution or the answer is not going to be accepted. And you can say that is wrong, but that is your opinion and you have the right to stick to that, but that does not apply to everyone. I do not care what coaches think for the most part and I feel it is a waste of time to think that heavily about their thoughts. It is not how I officiate and certainly not a major concern of mine if they think I am unapproachable. I have a job to do and that is to officiate, not answer every question they have. And what some consider reasonable is also subjective. Because if every play you are asking a question as to why you called something or telling me what I called, that is not being reasonable in my eyes.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by maven

That might be your point. I don't think it was Rich's, and if it was, he's incorrect.

We need to listen to anyone's reasonable requests.

I've forgotten my point.

However, I will say this -- there's a point beyond which I will stop listening and answering questions, no matter how reasonable. It takes quite a lot to get me there, but it happens once or twice a season.