Marginally interesting article

[BktBallRef]

"While it was far from unanimous, the boys coaches voted to try a three-official crew in 2008, while the girls coaches voted not to go that route."

I stopped reading there.

Over 20 years ago, the NCHSAA said, "We will use 3 person crews for ALL varsity games." End of debate.

[rsl]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

If there's anyone in the forum out there from Utah one thing I'd like to know is how are games played out there, specifically are the boys' and girls' games assigned as doubleheaders?

When I worked in GA our games were assigned as DHs with the girls' game first. You got the same crew for both games so there wasn't as much of a concern about "strong" vs. "weak" officials since it was the same three people. If Utah did that it would cut down on that issue.

This is actually suggested by the state assigner in the article as a solution, and rejected by the girls coaches. Apparently there are concerns that not all facilities can handle boys and girls in the same night, and the girls do not want to be early game all the time.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

"While it was far from unanimous, the boys coaches voted to try a three-official crew in 2008, while the girls coaches voted not to go that route."

I stopped reading there.

Over 20 years ago, the NCHSAA said, "We will use 3 person crews for ALL varsity games." End of debate.

Since the coaches voted not to use 3-man, they can't complain.
They had a chance and passed. Now they get exactly what they asked for.

[rsl]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

If there's anyone in the forum out there from Utah one thing I'd like to know is how are games played out there, specifically are the boys' and girls' games assigned as doubleheaders?

If there is only one gender, the Utah schedule is almost always

3:30 Soph
5:15 JV
7:00 Varsity

If there are both genders at the same time, then it is

3:30 Boys Soph in main Gym, and girls JV in Auxiliary Gym
5:15 Girls Varsity in Main Gym and Boys JV in Auxiliary Gym
7:00 Boys Varsity in Main Gym and girls Soph in Auxiliary Gym

But not all schools have adequate lockers or aux gym for both genders. For now, most games are not assigned as double headers unless the assigner is having trouble getting refs. We have either 3 or 6 crews at the facility each night. Double headers are assigned frequently at remote sites to reduce travel, but at metro sites each crew does just one game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rsl

If there is only one gender, the Utah schedule is almost always

3:30 Soph
5:15 JV
7:00 Varsity

If there are both genders at the same time, then it is

3:30 Boys Soph in main Gym, and girls JV in Auxiliary Gym
5:15 Girls Varsity in Main Gym and Boys JV in Auxiliary Gym
7:00 Boys Varsity in Main Gym and girls Soph in Auxiliary Gym

But not all schools have adequate lockers or aux gym for both genders. For now, most games are not assigned as double headers unless the assigner is having trouble getting refs. We have either 3 or 6 crews at the facility each night. Double headers are assigned frequently at remote sites to reduce travel, but at metro sites each crew does just one game.

Nevada currently uses this schedule in the largest classification:
At school A:
3:30 subvarsity contest
5:15 GV
7:00 BV
At school B:
3:30 subvarsity
5:15 subvarsity
7:00 subvarsity

The subvarsity games (GF, BF, GJV, BJV) rotate from year to year through the four different possible slots.

If an area is going to have both genders at the same site, I favor the way that the smaller schools do it.
At school A:
3:00 GJV; 4:30 BJV; 6:00 GV; 7:30 BV
With the two freshmen games at school B, if the schools have them.

NV uses 3-man for all varsity games both boys and girls at D1 and D2, while using 2-man at the D3 and D4 levels. All subvarsity is 2-man.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

I should state that there is one school in our league with multiple gyms.When playing at that site the schedule is as follows:
4:30 PM-JV Girls-Secondary Gym
4:30 PM-JV Boys-Main Gym
6:00 PM-Varsity Girls-Main Gym
7:30 PM-Varsity Boys-Main Gym

So this school on league home nights requests three crews of officials.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

I should state that there is one school in our league with multiple gyms.When playing at that site the schedule is as follows:
4:30 PM-JV Girls-Secondary Gym
4:30 PM-JV Boys-Main Gym
6:00 PM-Varsity Girls-Main Gym
7:30 PM-Varsity Boys-Main Gym

So this school on league home nights requests three crews of officials.

And which games are worked by each of the three crews? Obviously different crews are working the two 4:30 contents, but does one stick around and also work the GV game or does a new crew come in and work both varsity games?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

Yup, I know the scene down there, too. We used to work for 2 assignors down there (one of whom was a great guy and I was sorry to hear he passed a couple of years back). In 5 years down there, we never worked a girls game, come to think of it.

I see no need to force someone to work a girls game just so "they get good refs too." The officials shouldn't be forced to work games they don't want to work. Most officials here work both. Some work only boys, some work only girls. No big deal, really.

EC??

If so, I miss him too

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fullor30

EC??

If so, I miss him too

Or BB.

Peace

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Nevada-
a different crew comes in and works the two varsity games.

[Rob1968]

Because boys have three man and girls don't, the girls never see the higher ranked officials.
(Fixed it for you.)

[SCalScoreKeeper]

This Wednesday-Saturday is our section finals.All games done in 3 person when regular-season execpt for a handful of tournaments is 2 person.Good luck to all 66 officials who will get to work a final.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Nevada-
a different crew comes in and works the two varsity games.

I find that curious given that the girls and boys play by different rules modifications in CA.
It's the reason that I work only on the boys side.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

This Wednesday-Saturday is our section finals.All games done in 3 person when regular-season execpt for a handful of tournaments is 2 person.Good luck to all 66 officials who will get to work a final.

Thank you, all of us will be hoping for the best this week. The games will be intense.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I find that curious given that the girls and boys play by different rules modifications in CA.
It's the reason that I work only on the boys side.

It's the same in NY State. Boys play NFHS, girls play modified NCAAW. You need separate rules certification for both.