Indiana/Michigan St. Flagrant.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by APG

Just flipped to the channel from watching another game and heard them say that...they also mentioned that Valentine talked to them so I assumed they didn't mess it up...that bad.

It looked like he got the arm in the chest first, the whistle blew, then on the follow through caught him in the nose. I guess that would justify it.

[ODJ]

NCAA - If the ball is released before contact, count the bucket.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by ODJ

NCAA - If the ball is released before contact, count the bucket.

Oh, it wasn't.

[cmb]

Hey guys, been a lurker for a while and finally decided to start posting.

Anyways, here's what I saw: during live action, the lead called a foul on the Michigan St. defender. During the ensuing commercial break, they went to the monitor to review for possible elbow contact by the Indiana player to the head of the defender. Since the defensive foul was already called, they ruled the elbow contact to the head of the defender a dead ball contact technical on the offensive player.

In my opinion, the elbow contact came prior to any illegal contact by the defender so the correct call should have been a flagrant 1 on the offensive player. However, that wasn't really an option once they went to the monitor since the personal foul had already been called.

On a side note, if anyone posts a video, Pat Driscoll's mechanics on that play left something to be desired. He ended up pointing repeatedly at the guy on the ground who had just been elbowed pretty hard to the face. It looked almost like an "in your face" gesture, even though I knew he was just calling a foul on him. Wish he would have pointed lower.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by cmb

Hey guys, been a lurker for a while and finally decided to start posting.

Anyways, here's what I saw: during live action, the lead called a foul on the Michigan St. defender. During the ensuing commercial break, they went to the monitor to review for possible elbow contact by the Indiana player to the head of the defender. Since the defensive foul was already called, they ruled the elbow contact to the head of the defender a dead ball contact technical on the offensive player.

In my opinion, the elbow contact came prior to any illegal contact by the defender so the correct call should have been a flagrant 1 on the offensive player. However, that wasn't really an option once they went to the monitor since the personal foul had already been called.



On a side note, if anyone posts a video, Pat Driscoll's mechanics on that play left something to be desired. He ended up pointing repeatedly at the guy on the ground who had just been elbowed pretty hard to the face. It looked almost like an "in your face" gesture, even though I knew he was just calling a foul on him. Wish he would have pointed lower.

I thought they called a PC on the Indiana player. Maybe I am wrong.

[OKREF]

Get a clip of the foul at 3.7 seconds in the game also. I just don't see the foul.

[cmb]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I thought they called a PC on the Indiana player. Maybe I am wrong.

No, they definitely called a foul on the Mich St player first for the forearm on the dribbler.

[pfan1981]

Anyone think the official was wrong to point at the MSU player for so long while he was on the floor?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by cmb

Hey guys, been a lurker for a while and finally decided to start posting.

Anyways, here's what I saw: during live action, the lead called a foul on the Michigan St. defender. During the ensuing commercial break, they went to the monitor to review for possible elbow contact by the Indiana player to the head of the defender. Since the defensive foul was already called, they ruled the elbow contact to the head of the defender a dead ball contact technical on the offensive player.

In my opinion, the elbow contact came prior to any illegal contact by the defender so the correct call should have been a flagrant 1 on the offensive player. However, that wasn't really an option once they went to the monitor since the personal foul had already been called.

On a side note, if anyone posts a video, Pat Driscoll's mechanics on that play left something to be desired. He ended up pointing repeatedly at the guy on the ground who had just been elbowed pretty hard to the face. It looked almost like an "in your face" gesture, even though I knew he was just calling a foul on him. Wish he would have pointed lower.

This post is 100% accurate. Welcome to the forum!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by cmb

On a side note, if anyone posts a video, Pat Driscoll's mechanics on that play left something to be desired. He ended up pointing repeatedly at the guy on the ground who had just been elbowed pretty hard to the face. It looked almost like an "in your face" gesture, even though I knew he was just calling a foul on him. Wish he would have pointed lower.

Interesting. I never point anymore (well, maybe twice a season or so.)

[stiffler3492]

Didn't see this game, but have heard about the infamous "nutshot" from several people already.

Apparently it happened to IU #40. Thoughts?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Didn't see this game, but have heard about the infamous "nutshot" from several people already.

Apparently it happened to IU #40. Thoughts?

TV showed several replays. It was an arm to the chest. There was no contact below the belt. Zeller just bent over after possibly having the wind knocked out of him.