Indiana/Michigan St. Flagrant.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by cmb

Hey guys, been a lurker for a while and finally decided to start posting.

Anyways, here's what I saw: during live action, the lead called a foul on the Michigan St. defender. During the ensuing commercial break, they went to the monitor to review for possible elbow contact by the Indiana player to the head of the defender. Since the defensive foul was already called, they ruled the elbow contact to the head of the defender a dead ball contact technical on the offensive player.

In my opinion, the elbow contact came prior to any illegal contact by the defender so the correct call should have been a flagrant 1 on the offensive player. However, that wasn't really an option once they went to the monitor since the personal foul had already been called.



On a side note, if anyone posts a video, Pat Driscoll's mechanics on that play left something to be desired. He ended up pointing repeatedly at the guy on the ground who had just been elbowed pretty hard to the face. It looked almost like an "in your face" gesture, even though I knew he was just calling a foul on him. Wish he would have pointed lower.

I thought they called a PC on the Indiana player. Maybe I am wrong.

[OKREF]

Get a clip of the foul at 3.7 seconds in the game also. I just don't see the foul.

[cmb]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I thought they called a PC on the Indiana player. Maybe I am wrong.

No, they definitely called a foul on the Mich St player first for the forearm on the dribbler.

[pfan1981]

Anyone think the official was wrong to point at the MSU player for so long while he was on the floor?

[JimmyJimmy]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Anyone think the official was wrong to point at the MSU player for so long while he was on the floor?

At first, I also thought the official was pointing at the player, but after watching it again, is it possible he is pointing at the floor...as in "no shot, foul was on the floor"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JimmyJimmy

At first, I also thought the official was pointing at the player, but after watching it again, is it possible he is pointing at the floor...as in "no shot, foul was on the floor"

Oh Lord I hope not.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JimmyJimmy

At first, I also thought the official was pointing at the player, but after watching it again, is it possible he is pointing at the floor...as in "no shot, foul was on the floor"

Get "on the floor" out of your vocabulary.

[JimmyJimmy]

Originally Posted by APG

Get "on the floor" out of your vocabulary.

ok - bad choice of words. I'm a newbie, so what's correct? "Down"?. To me, it still looks like the official was pointing at the floor and not the player.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JimmyJimmy

ok - bad choice of words. I'm a newbie, so what's correct? "Down"?. To me, it still looks like the official was pointing at the floor and not the player.

No, just say "before the shot" or "no shot" if there's any question.

The fact is, being "on the floor" or "down" has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a player was in the act of shooting (unless it was after the shot was released.)

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Anyone think the official was wrong to point at the MSU player for so long while he was on the floor?

Uh, yeah. Any other preliminary signal for the foul committed would have been better than what was done, imo.

[scratchawl]

anyone have a problem with Valetine having michs state 8 games this year and IU 4 games? arent there enough high level officials to go around?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by scratchawl

anyone have a problem with Valetine having michs state 8 games this year and IU 4 games?

Not those who matter (assigner, Big 10 office, IU, MSU)