Caught Up in the Moment?

[Rob1968]

Why is it not a try?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Why is it not a try?

What's the definition of a try?

[Rob1968]

Oh, my gosh! That's what I get for staying-up/getting-up so late!

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

This play triggered a disappointing discussion for me locally.

Care to elaborate?

[Adam]

Not publicly.

[jdd1172]

I see the definition of try 4-41-2, but if you look at scoring 5-2-2 and 5-2-3 then it would count. A1 gets the shot off before the shot clock violation then B1 rebounds and puts it back in...basket counts.

What is the difference A1 shoots and misses then B1 trys to rebound but taps it in his own goal. Do you wave off the basket or count it?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdd1172

I see the definition of try 4-41-2, but if you look at scoring 5-2-2 and 5-2-3 then it would count. A1 gets the shot off before the shot clock violation then B1 rebounds and puts it back in...basket counts.

What is the difference A1 shoots and misses then B1 trys to rebound but taps it in his own goal. Do you wave off the basket or count it?

No, you would wave off that tip (assuming your situation involves time expiring after the ball is tipped but before it goes through the basket).

The part you need to look at is what makes the ball dead. The ball is dead when time expires, unless a try in in progress. 6-7-6 (exception)

[jdd1172]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, you would wave off that tip (assuming your situation involves time expiring after the ball is tipped but before it goes through the basket).

The part you need to look at is what makes the ball dead. The ball is dead when time expires, unless a try in in progress. 6-7-6 (exception)

To me it looks like B1's try was clearly in flight during the final horn sounding...i count the basket. 6-7-9a

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdd1172

To me it looks like B1's try was clearly in flight during the final horn sounding...i count the basket. 6-7-9a

It's not a try, as a try is an attempt to score "by throwing the ball into a team's own basket." 4-41-2 The exception doesn't apply, so the ball is dead.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jdd1172

To me it looks like B1's try was clearly in flight during the final horn sounding...i count the basket. 6-7-9a

Sure it was. It just wasn't a try. By definition, this is not a try... so the ball is dead the instant the horn sounds.

I suspect this referee was motivated by the "penalize stupidity wherever possible" mantra... it's just not possible here. Hope this got fixed by his partner.

Kind of sad that every single one of us (with one late exception) knew right away without looking it up that this is not a try, and had to pass through the basket before the buzzer to count... yet the guy getting paid big bucks for a televised game did not.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Kind of sad that every single one of us (with one late exception) knew right away without looking it up that this is not a try, and had to pass through the basket before the buzzer to count... yet the guy getting paid big bucks for a televised game did not.

What makes you think these officials were paid "big bucks" for this game or that the game was televised?

Looks like a JUCO or DIII game and depending on where it is, most likely is not anywhere near big bucks.

And I see nothing indicating the game is televised, which doesnt mean much either. I've done HS games televised on local access TV and guess what? They paid the same as all of the other varsity games I do.

I agree the officials should know the rules but not with your reasoning here. Officials should know the rules because it's our job, regardless of the level you are working.

[jdd1172]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Sure it was. It just wasn't a try. By definition, this is not a try... so the ball is dead the instant the horn sounds.

I suspect this referee was motivated by the "penalize stupidity wherever possible" mantra... it's just not possible here. Hope this got fixed by his partner.

Kind of sad that every single one of us (with one late exception) knew right away without looking it up that this is not a try, and had to pass through the basket before the buzzer to count... yet the guy getting paid big bucks for a televised game did not.

I understand now. I am first year guy and still learning the ins and outs of the rule book. Thanks.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by jdd1172

I understand now. I am first year guy and still learning the ins and outs of the rule book. Thanks.

Let's say that the player who "shot" that ball into the wrong basket, did so by releasing the ball behind the 3-point line, AND it went through the basket before the game clock buzzer sounded/light went on.

Are there points scored, and if so, how many?

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

What makes you think these officials were paid "big bucks" for this game or that the game was televised?

Looks like a JUCO or DIII game and depending on where it is, most likely is not anywhere near big bucks.

And I see nothing indicating the game is televised, which doesnt mean much either. I've done HS games televised on local access TV and guess what? They paid the same as all of the other varsity games I do.

I agree the officials should know the rules but not with your reasoning here. Officials should know the rules because it's our job, regardless of the level you are working.

W&J on court..is this Washington and Jefferson a D3 in Pennsylvania?

[jdd1172]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Let's say that the player who "shot" that ball into the wrong basket, did so by releasing the ball behind the 3-point line, AND it went through the basket before the game clock buzzer sounded/light went on.

Are there points scored, and if so, how many?

It would be 2 pts. (5-2)