Post pushing (video)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by APG

Hold on the defender...but I'd be okay with calling a hold on the offensive player...as long as one doesn't cop out to calling a double foul.

3 holds on the defender. false multiple foul.

[Welpe]

I wouldn't have a double foul here, I know that much.

[JetMetFan]

TC for me. Hook and displacement by the offensive player started the ball rolling.

[MD Longhorn]

First foul on defense is at about 13 sec. No way is this double, and no way is it on the offense.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

First foul on defense is at about 13 sec. No way is this double, and no way is it on the offense.

I understand where someone can see a hold at the :13 sec mark but I am not sure how you can call a foul here when the offense is backing the defense down. Sure we can all see the right hand around the offense, but thats a tough call to make.

The next series is where I believe the real call needs to happen.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I understand where someone can see a hold at the :13 sec mark but I am not sure how you can call a foul here when the offense is backing the defense down. Sure we can all see the right hand around the offense, but thats a tough call to make.

The next series is where I believe the real call needs to happen.

That's too late, IMO.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I understand where someone can see a hold at the :13 sec mark but I am not sure how you can call a foul here when the offense is backing the defense down. Sure we can all see the right hand around the offense, but thats a tough call to make.

The next series is where I believe the real call needs to happen.

Right hand around the waist, left arm over the shoulder, and defender pulls the offensive player backward. That's the one that needs to be gotten. None of the rest of that garbage happens then.

[OKREF]

I have that on the defense. Holding several times.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Right hand around the waist, left arm over the shoulder, and defender pulls the offensive player backward. That's the one that needs to be gotten. None of the rest of that garbage happens then.

Missed my point - right hand around the waist? Was that because the defender was backing into him? There is no way on the video to tell if that is where contact happened by the defender. Left arm over the shoulder? When the player moves from the offensive players right side to the left side, the defensive player reaches over the top of the offensive players left arm, this is not illegal. What's illegal is when the offensive player starts to reach to hold the defensive player and the defensive player than grabs and the pulls the offensive player.

I think the problem is that every official is always told "get the first foul, get the first foul" so now you are looking at trying to find that first foul at the earliest point. If each player had backed away after the 13 second mark, we would all say, "I am not calling that one" but since you obviously have something later on, you're trying to back up and find the first one.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

right hand around the waist, left arm over the shoulder, and defender pulls the offensive player backward. That's the one that needs to be gotten. None of the rest of that garbage happens then.

+1

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by md longhorn

first foul on defense is at about 13 sec. No way is this double, and no way is it on the offense.

+1

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

TC for me. Hook and displacement by the offensive player started the ball rolling.

I think I am going with Jetmet on this one, the first bumping and such is all incidental. First foul is when the offence, holds the defender from getting around to front. The second foul is on the defender when he grabs the arm he is being held by. Then, a double foul for the hold by white and the backdown by black Kinda wish the lead would have given a preliminary to see what his thoughts were on the play.