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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:05am
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How can compression sleeves become "a problem?"
Same with tights. Are we seeing more? Yes. Is it a problem? Not really. Should tights be allowed? Yes, with color restrictions similar to undershirts.

None of that seems to be allowed with the questionnaire.
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:35am
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2013 NFHS Basketball Rules Questionnaire

PART III – ABOUT RULES FOR 2013-14 – WOULD YOU FAVOR?

13. Continuous motion.

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What am I missing?


Edit: Sorry gang... missed it. I'm with APG... WOW.

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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:39am
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:41am
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NFHS Basketball Rules Questionnaire

Are These Changes Made Last Year Satisfactory?
1. The official scorer is required to wear a black-and-white vertically striped garment.

Have You Seen In Your Area?
1. Leg compression sleeves/calf sleeves becoming a problem. No
2. The consistent enforcement of the arm compression sleeve. no
3. Intentional fouls properly called throughout the contest. No
4. Inconsistent compliance with the rule on headband/wristband colors. no
5. Headbands wider than 2 inches becoming a problem. no
6. More players being allowed to wear tights. no
7. Officials spending more time addressing concerns voiced by coaches. yes
8. Schools requesting permission for players to wear some type of headgear for protection because of a concussion. no
9. Improvement in the calls made on contact above the shoulders. yes

About Rules For 2013-14 – Would You Favor?
1. Eliminating the jump ball to start the game and any overtime period. no
2. Determining initial possession of the ball with a coin toss during the pregame conference with captains and coaches. no
3. Legalizing the use of electronic devices in the bench area. no
4. Strengthening the penalty for illegal elbow contact above the shoulders. maybe
5. Reducing the closely guarded situation from 6 feet to 3 feet. yes
6. Playing the game in two 18-minute halves. no
7. Playing the game in two 16-minute halves. yes
8. Allowing a visible manufacturer's logo on the jersey. Seriously? that completely changes the entire game of basketball....
9. Changing "intentional foul" to "excessive foul" to better clarify. maybe
10. Allowing state adoptions for size of coaching box (i.e., none, 6 feet, 14 feet, 28 feet). we already have that
11. Giving a team the option of free throws or possession of the ball out of bounds. NO
12. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released No
13. Continuous motion.

About Mechanics For 2013-14 - Officials Only - Would You Favor?
1. Using the "stop the clock for a violation" signal prior to giving the "jump ball" signal. The clock stops on the whistle, try raising your hand without blowing the whistle and see if the clock or players stop.
2. Eliminating the long switch on a foul in the backcourt.We already do that.

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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:42am
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NFHS Basketball Rules Questionnaire

Are These Changes Made Last Year Satisfactory?
1. The official scorer is required to wear a black-and-white vertically striped garment.
Yes, I like it.

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1. Eliminating the jump ball to start the game and any overtime period.
No, it's fine how it is.

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5. Reducing the closely guarded situation from 6 feet to 3 feet.
No, it would just make it harder on the defense.

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6. Playing the game in two 18-minute halves.
7. Playing the game in two 16-minute halves.
I like the 16-minute idea.

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9. Changing "intentional foul" to "excessive foul" to better clarify.
No, either leave it as intentional or change to FF1 or FF2 like NCAA.

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10. Allowing state adoptions for size of coaching box (i.e., none, 6 feet, 14 feet, 28 feet).
Isn't this already done now? I don't know of anyone who has the 28-foot box, but don't some states have no box and some have the 14-footer?

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12. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released
Yes, I like this.

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About Mechanics For 2013-14 - Officials Only - Would You Favor?
1. Using the "stop the clock for a violation" signal prior to giving the "jump ball" signal.
2. Eliminating the long switch on a foul in the backcourt.
We already do #1 and have for a couple of years. We switch on every foul in 2-person mechanics. (Except for shooting fouls that the Trail calls in the FC)
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:04am
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NFHS Basketball Rules Questionnaire

Are These Changes Made Last Year Satisfactory?
1. The official scorer is required to wear a black-and-white vertically striped garment.

Have You Seen In Your Area?
1. Leg compression sleeves/calf sleeves becoming a problem.
2. The consistent enforcement of the arm compression sleeve.
3. Intentional fouls properly called throughout the contest. No
4. Inconsistent compliance with the rule on headband/wristband colors.
5. Headbands wider than 2 inches becoming a problem.
6. More players being allowed to wear tights.
7. Officials spending more time addressing concerns voiced by coaches.
8. Schools requesting permission for players to wear some type of headgear for protection because of a concussion.
9. Improvement in the calls made on contact above the shoulders. Not sure we have clear direction from our association or the states.

About Rules For 2013-14 – Would You Favor?
1. Eliminating the jump ball to start the game and any overtime period. No
2. Determining initial possession of the ball with a coin toss during the pregame conference with captains and coaches.No
3. Legalizing the use of electronic devices in the bench area.
4. Strengthening the penalty for illegal elbow contact above the shoulders. No
5. Reducing the closely guarded situation from 6 feet to 3 feet. Yes
6. Playing the game in two 18-minute halves. No
7. Playing the game in two 16-minute halves.No
8. Allowing a visible manufacturer's logo on the jersey.No
9. Changing "intentional foul" to "excessive foul" to better clarify. No
10. Allowing state adoptions for size of coaching box (i.e., none, 6 feet, 14 feet, 28 feet).
11. Giving a team the option of free throws or possession of the ball out of bounds.No
12. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released Yes
13. Continuous motion.

About Mechanics For 2013-14 - Officials Only - Would You Favor?
1. Using the "stop the clock for a violation" signal prior to giving the "jump ball" signal. No
2. Eliminating the long switch on a foul in the backcourt.We don't switch long.
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:59pm
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NFHS Basketball Rules Questionnaire

Are These Changes Made Last Year Satisfactory?
1. The official scorer is required to wear a black-and-white vertically striped garment.

Have You Seen In Your Area?
1. Leg compression sleeves/calf sleeves becoming a problem. If seeing more of them is a problem then no.
2. The consistent enforcement of the arm compression sleeve. It was a dumb rule in the first place.
3. Intentional fouls properly called throughout the contest. Like any rule.
4. Inconsistent compliance with the rule on headband/wristband colors. Dumb rule
5. Headbands wider than 2 inches becoming a problem. Not measuring and don't care.
6. More players being allowed to wear tights. Not looking that closely.
7. Officials spending more time addressing concerns voiced by coaches. No
8. Schools requesting permission for players to wear some type of headgear for protection because of a concussion. No
9. Improvement in the calls made on contact above the shoulders. Not seeing many of these plays.

About Rules For 2013-14 – Would You Favor?
1. Eliminating the jump ball to start the game and any overtime period. No
2. Determining initial possession of the ball with a coin toss during the pregame conference with captains and coaches. Hell no.
3. Legalizing the use of electronic devices in the bench area. Why not?
4. Strengthening the penalty for illegal elbow contact above the shoulders. I am OK with this
5. Reducing the closely guarded situation from 6 feet to 3 feet. No
6. Playing the game in two 18-minute halves. Yes
7. Playing the game in two 16-minute halves. Yes
8. Allowing a visible manufacturer's logo on the jersey. I would not care.
9. Changing "intentional foul" to "excessive foul" to better clarify. Go to Flagrant 1 and 2 language.
10. Allowing state adoptions for size of coaching box (i.e., none, 6 feet, 14 feet, 28 feet). Get rid of the box and just allow them the 28 feet.
11. Giving a team the option of free throws or possession of the ball out of bounds. No
12. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released. Yes
13. Continuous motion. I have no idea what the hell this means.

About Mechanics For 2013-14 - Officials Only - Would You Favor?
1. Using the "stop the clock for a violation" signal prior to giving the "jump ball" signal. Heck no.
2. Eliminating the long switch on a foul in the backcourt. We already did.
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:44pm
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NFHS Basketball Rules Questionnaire

Are These Changes Made Last Year Satisfactory?
1. The official scorer is required to wear a black-and-white vertically striped garment.

Yes

Have You Seen In Your Area?
1. Leg compression sleeves/calf sleeves becoming a problem.
No, just officials who won't enforce.
2. The consistent enforcement of the arm compression sleeve.
no
3. Intentional fouls properly called throughout the contest.
yes
4. Inconsistent compliance with the rule on headband/wristband colors.
Yes, again officials who wont enforce
5. Headbands wider than 2 inches becoming a problem.
no
6. More players being allowed to wear tights.
no, but i saw them more this year
7. Officials spending more time addressing concerns voiced by coaches.
yes
8. Schools requesting permission for players to wear some type of headgear for protection because of a concussion.
no
9. Improvement in the calls made on contact above the shoulders.
yes

About Rules For 2013-14 – Would You Favor?
1. Eliminating the jump ball to start the game and any overtime period.
no
2. Determining initial possession of the ball with a coin toss during the pregame conference with captains and coaches.
no
3. Legalizing the use of electronic devices in the bench area.
no
4. Strengthening the penalty for illegal elbow contact above the shoulders.
no
5. Reducing the closely guarded situation from 6 feet to 3 feet.
no
6. Playing the game in two 18-minute halves.
yes
7. Playing the game in two 16-minute halves.
no
8. Allowing a visible manufacturer's logo on the jersey.
yes
9. Changing "intentional foul" to "excessive foul" to better clarify.
no
10. Allowing state adoptions for size of coaching box (i.e., none, 6 feet, 14 feet, 28 feet).
can we just get them marked?
11. Giving a team the option of free throws or possession of the ball out of bounds.
no
12. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released (
yes, yes
13. Continuous motion.


About Mechanics For 2013-14 - Officials Only - Would You Favor?
1. Using the "stop the clock for a violation" signal prior to giving the "jump ball" signal.
no
2. Eliminating the long switch on a foul in the backcourt.
when in rome, we already do this
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:40pm
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NFHS Basketball Rules Questionnaire

Are These Changes Made Last Year Satisfactory?
1. The official scorer is required to wear a black-and-white vertically striped garment. Yes

Have You Seen In Your Area?
1. Leg compression sleeves/calf sleeves becoming a problem. Not yet.
2. The consistent enforcement of the arm compression sleeve. Consistent by me, others? I cannot say.
3. Intentional fouls properly called throughout the contest. For the most part.
4. Inconsistent compliance with the rule on headband/wristband colors. No.
5. Headbands wider than 2 inches becoming a problem. No.
6. More players being allowed to wear tights. Not here.
7. Officials spending more time addressing concerns voiced by coaches. YES. Coaches need to learn when to stop.
8. Schools requesting permission for players to wear some type of headgear for protection because of a concussion. Have not had it.
9. Improvement in the calls made on contact above the shoulders. From what I have seen, yes.

About Rules For 2013-14 – Would You Favor?
1. Eliminating the jump ball to start the game and any overtime period. No.
2. Determining initial possession of the ball with a coin toss during the pregame conference with captains and coaches. Not just no, but NO!
3. Legalizing the use of electronic devices in the bench area. Yes. It is the 21st century. Shoot, the HS I teach at had one on the bench last week and NONE of the officials said a word.
4. Strengthening the penalty for illegal elbow contact above the shoulders. Fine as is at the moment.
5. Reducing the closely guarded situation from 6 feet to 3 feet. No, keep as is. Works for what is needed. Needs to be called consistently & correctly is the issue.
6. Playing the game in two 18-minute halves. Yes
7. Playing the game in two 16-minute halves. And Yes.
8. Allowing a visible manufacturer's logo on the jersey. Yes, this should be allowed as schools need the money!
9. Changing "intentional foul" to "excessive foul" to better clarify. Maybe? Not in favor of NCAA-M names.
10. Allowing state adoptions for size of coaching box (i.e., none, 6 feet, 14 feet, 28 feet). Thought states already did that.
11. Giving a team the option of free throws or possession of the ball out of bounds. No, too many options. This is not football where we turn to a coach for a decision on every foul.
12. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released. No, I am fine with waiting on the rim. Helps with excessive roughness.
13. Continuous motion. As in keeping it, yes. Needs to be called correctly. Many officials screw this one up in my area, IMO.

About Mechanics For 2013-14 - Officials Only - Would You Favor?
1. Using the "stop the clock for a violation" signal prior to giving the "jump ball" signal. Who has 2 thumbs and doesn't want to raise his hand? This guy.
2. Eliminating the long switch on a foul in the backcourt. I don't long switch already when I work games. It is a part of my pre-game.
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:45pm
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I would be alright with playing games in halves, either 16 or 18. For the coaches box, I don't really pay that much attention as it is (yes, I'm that guy with the box), and would prefer the 28' box. Free throws, yes they should go on the release in the lane. For long switches, yes do away with that mechanic. Where I started, we didn't do it, where I am currently we do. It sucks and is a waste of dead ball time while we are switching. Don't recall the rest, but the jump ball needs to stay, sucks if you don't have tall players or don't have players who can't jump. The uniform rules are stupid all around and I hate being the uniform police. I enforce what's expected to be enforced, and could give a rats a$$ about the rest.
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8. Allowing a visible manufacturer's logo on the jersey. Yes, this should be allowed as schools need the money!
You think their uniforms will be cheaper if they come with a Nike or Adidas logo on them???? Not a chance.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:04pm
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You think their uniforms will be cheaper if they come with a Nike or Adidas logo on them???? Not a chance.
It will as it will be considered advertising for the schools. Nike/Adidas/Reebok/et al would love to represent schools. Bc what a player wheres on the court is going to persuade them to buy it for personal use.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:21pm
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It will as it will be considered advertising for the schools. Nike/Adidas/Reebok/et al would love to represent schools. Bc what a player wheres on the court is going to persuade them to buy it for personal use.
Keep dreaming. Sure, it will be advertising for the manufacturer but don't think for even 1 second that the school will get a discount for having them. They'll just no longer be available without one.

It may indeed have additional benefit to the manufacturer but if they don't have to discount it, they won't.
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NFHS Basketball Rules Questionnaire

Are These Changes Made Last Year Satisfactory?
1. The official scorer is required to wear a black-and-white vertically striped garment.Yes, very much like it

Have You Seen In Your Area?
1. Leg compression sleeves/calf sleeves becoming a problem.No
2. The consistent enforcement of the arm compression sleeve.Yes
3. Intentional fouls properly called throughout the contest.Yes, although it hadn't been a problem as far as I could tell.
4. Inconsistent compliance with the rule on headband/wristband colors. Yes, at the non-varsity level. No issues for varsity
5. Headbands wider than 2 inches becoming a problem.No
6. More players being allowed to wear tights.No
7. Officials spending more time addressing concerns voiced by coaches.Not really
8. Schools requesting permission for players to wear some type of headgear for protection because of a concussion. Haven't seen it yet
9. Improvement in the calls made on contact above the shoulders.Yes, although I need to work on this

About Rules For 2013-14 – Would You Favor?
1. Eliminating the jump ball to start the game and any overtime period.Couldn't care less if they do or don't.
2. Determining initial possession of the ball with a coin toss during the pregame conference with captains and coaches.No. Either use a jump ball or give first possession to home/visitor automatically.
3. Legalizing the use of electronic devices in the bench area.MN already allows iPads and similar devices on the bench for statistical and 'electonic clipboard' purposes
4. Strengthening the penalty for illegal elbow contact above the shoulders.Not at the moment. Give it another year or two and see what we think then
5. Reducing the closely guarded situation from 6 feet to 3 feet.No
6. Playing the game in two 18-minute halves.Already done in MN. Love it.
7. Playing the game in two 16-minute halves.Eh, whatever.
8. Allowing a visible manufacturer's logo on the jersey.Couldn't care less either way
9. Changing "intentional foul" to "excessive foul" to better clarify.meh
10. Allowing state adoptions for size of coaching box (i.e., none, 6 feet, 14 feet, 28 feet).meh
11. Giving a team the option of free throws or possession of the ball out of bounds.No
12. Permitting players in marked spaces along the free-throw lane to break the plane when the try is released No
13. Continuous motion.I think everyone should be in favor of continuous motion as opposed to no motion. Gotta stay active and fit, dontcha know.

About Mechanics For 2013-14 - Officials Only - Would You Favor?
1. Using the "stop the clock for a violation" signal prior to giving the "jump ball" signal.No.
2. Eliminating the long switch on a foul in the backcourt.We don't long-switch most of the time... only if there's a situation where it makes sense (calling official needing to answer a coaches politely-asked question or provide information to the table, for example)
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