2-man three-point coverage

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by ODog

Our interpreter did a nice presentation on this topic in one of our meetings last month.

As Rich said, lead has to signal those attempts in his area. And any time you signal an attempt, you also signal the successful goal.

Trail mirrors the successful-goal signal, but does not have to mirror attempts.

So as the trail, you will signal every successful 3-point goal.

Lead mirrors nothing, as you all know, but you do see a lot of it.

We have been told here that the lead should signal the 3 pt attempt, but not signal the made shot. Only the trail signals the make.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

We have been told here that the lead should signal the 3 pt attempt, but not signal the made shot. Only the trail signals the make.

When in Rome, but that's not the book mechanic.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

We have been told here that the lead should signal the 3 pt attempt, but not signal the made shot. Only the trail signals the make.

As T, I don't look to my partner regarding the shot until it is made. Until then, I've got other things to be looking at. I expect to to see the "good" signal. If not, I don't have a signal.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As T, I don't look to my partner regarding the shot until it is made. Until then, I've got other things to be looking at. I expect to to see the "good" signal. If not, I don't have a signal.

Agreed. All we are doing as T is helping relay the information to the table.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As T, I don't look to my partner regarding the shot until it is made. Until then, I've got other things to be looking at.

Neither do I, but when I would look at him his hand would be on its way down. I had to sneak a peek at his signal while the ball was in flight to verify if he signaled a three-point try or not. Obviously that made me look away from my PCA which is bad.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Neither do I, but when I would look at him his hand would be on its way down. I had to sneak a peek at his signal while the ball was in flight to verify if he signaled a three-point try or not. Obviously that made me look away from my PCA which is bad.

I can see the L's hand go up using peripheral vision. Doesn't pull my eyes away from anything else.

Originally Posted by Rich

I can see the L's hand go up using peripheral vision.

Uh....good for you? I can't figure out if you are boasting or admonishing me for not being able to do that too. Maybe both I guess. I can't use my peripheral vision to see a guys arm from 40 feet away through a swath of players.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Uh....good for you? I can't figure out if you are boasting or admonishing me for not being able to do that too. Maybe both I guess. I can't use my peripheral vision to see a guys arm from 40 feet away through a swath of players.

Boasting? Really?

It could be cause you're new, too. Eventually, you get a feel for where your partner is and you'll notice that arm going up even when looking at something else.

Same thing with a throw-in administered by the L in the frontcourt when you're the trail. You're supposed to mirror the chop, but you can't stare at the L or the ball to do it.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As T, I don't look to my partner regarding the shot until it is made. Until then, I've got other things to be looking at. I expect to to see the "good" signal. If not, I don't have a signal.

I agree Camron. Early this year I was working with a 2nd year official and this happened. Ball deep in his corner (on bench side) so I moved my eyes to the lane. Shot goes up and in, I glance to him and don't see anything so I head down the court. A couple trips later the coach says he is missing a point on the scoreboard.

So I ask the kid at half why he didn't signal the make (I guess he signaled the try but I didn't see it)...he said the book says he wasn't supposed to. Needless to say I won a coke but I wonder why this assumption is going around.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by OKREF

We have been told here that the lead should signal the 3 pt attempt, but not signal the made shot. Only the trail signals the make.

That's what we've been told in my little corner of west of the Mississippi but east of the West Coast.

[VaTerp]

I rarely signal for a made 3pt basket as the Lead. Just out of habit from doing mostly 3-man. I put my hand with 3 fingers up on the attempt and then drop it once the shot is clearly missed or made. I will leave it up for a second if I can sense table or partners are looking to see if it was indeed a 3. It has never been an issue but if my partner, the table, or powers that be made it an issue then I wouldnt have a problem adjusting.

The problem I see is usually the other way around. Too many sub-varsity officials ball watching and signaling for 3s on shots way out of their primary.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Too many sub-varsity officials ball watching and signaling for 3s on shots way out of their primary.

Amen. +1

[Adam]

I guess I won't complain anymore about partners mirroring from Lead.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by Adam

I guess I won't complain anymore about partners mirroring from Lead.

Why? Isn't this the perfect time to ramp it up, in fact, since nobody anywhere is "supposed to be" doing it?

I'm sure I'm missing something here, but Enquiring minds want to know ...

[Adam]

Simple, there are apparently bigger issues out there, and I'd rather have them mirror too much than not signal the successful 3.