2-man three-point coverage

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As T, I don't look to my partner regarding the shot until it is made. Until then, I've got other things to be looking at.

Neither do I, but when I would look at him his hand would be on its way down. I had to sneak a peek at his signal while the ball was in flight to verify if he signaled a three-point try or not. Obviously that made me look away from my PCA which is bad.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As T, I don't look to my partner regarding the shot until it is made. Until then, I've got other things to be looking at. I expect to to see the "good" signal. If not, I don't have a signal.

I agree Camron. Early this year I was working with a 2nd year official and this happened. Ball deep in his corner (on bench side) so I moved my eyes to the lane. Shot goes up and in, I glance to him and don't see anything so I head down the court. A couple trips later the coach says he is missing a point on the scoreboard.

So I ask the kid at half why he didn't signal the make (I guess he signaled the try but I didn't see it)...he said the book says he wasn't supposed to. Needless to say I won a coke but I wonder why this assumption is going around.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by OKREF

We have been told here that the lead should signal the 3 pt attempt, but not signal the made shot. Only the trail signals the make.

That's what we've been told in my little corner of west of the Mississippi but east of the West Coast.

[VaTerp]

I rarely signal for a made 3pt basket as the Lead. Just out of habit from doing mostly 3-man. I put my hand with 3 fingers up on the attempt and then drop it once the shot is clearly missed or made. I will leave it up for a second if I can sense table or partners are looking to see if it was indeed a 3. It has never been an issue but if my partner, the table, or powers that be made it an issue then I wouldnt have a problem adjusting.

The problem I see is usually the other way around. Too many sub-varsity officials ball watching and signaling for 3s on shots way out of their primary.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by The Rooster

That's what we've been told in my little corner of west of the Mississippi but east of the West Coast.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

He used college mechanics most of the night, is this a NCAA thing? I know NCAA does not list 2-man mechanics, but I'm trying to figure out the disconnect here.

Even if it was an NCAA game and he had to go two-person (i.e., the 3rd didn't show or got hurt) he'd have to signal the attempt and the make. The question to ask him in your game would have been, "if you don't signal as the L on a three in your PCA, who is supposed to?"

Someone will have to answer what the mechanic is for NCAAM but in NCAAW if there's a three in your PCA you signal the attempt but not the make, unless it's a quick transistion. The T can mirror the attempt and both the T and L signal the make.

Your partner sounds as though he's a college official who forgot what level he was working that night.

Originally Posted by seanwestref

I went to a D3 game last week. In transition, the Center had an intentional foul (Flagrant 1). The referee (Trail at the time) chewed the Lead official out for not mirroring the intentional foul signal, saying it would have sold the call better. So I guess, in some situations and at some levels, the Lead does mirror signals.

As I sit here looking at my NCAAW CCA Manual I'm not seeing anything about officials mirroring F1 signals.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

As I sit here looking at my NCAAW CCA Manual I'm not seeing anything about officials mirroring F1 signals.

That is correct. I asked the R about it after and he said, "it's not a mechanic, but it is a good idea. Having two intentional signals makes it easier to defend to the coach. It is simply backing up your partner by mirroring the signal."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

That is correct. I asked the R about it after and he said, "it's not a mechanic, but it is a good idea. Having two intentional signals makes it easier to defend to the coach. It is simply backing up your partner by mirroring the signal."

Not everything you're told is good. This, IMO, is an example.

Originally Posted by Rich

Not everything you're told is good.

Very true. However, based on my respect for this officials experience and qualifications, I will do this from now on.

[Treeguy]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

This past Friday I had a game where my partner (as the lead) would not signal for three-point attempts in his corner (opposite me at trail). Thus, I had no idea what kind of shots were being taken down there, and had no signal to mirror. During a break in play I asked my P to signal those shots as the Lead, but he said he didn't have to.

I had a partner do the same thing. i asked him at halftime about and he said he learned to ref in Texas and that is the way he was taught. I asked him to signal the 3's and he said OK.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Treeguy

he said he learned to ref in Texas and that is the way he was taught.

Maybe once upon a time but that is not the current teaching.