stating the foul count

[JRutledge]

If a coach says something to me about foul counts, that is when I am a smartazz. I will either say, "So" or "Stop fouling." But I will not automatically call a T for this.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If a coach says something to me about foul counts, that is when I am a smartazz. I will either say, "So" or "Stop fouling." But I will not automatically call a T for this.

Peace

+1

"I guess they need to stop fouling then." Said this before.

[tophat67]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If a coach says something to me about foul counts, that is when I am a smartazz. I will either say, "So" or "Stop fouling." But I will not automatically call a T for this.

Peace

I am with you Rut. I Tell them, "Tell your players to stop fouling"

[just another ref]

It is possible to have a civil conversation about the foul count.

Last week GV at halftime:

Coach: The fouls are 11 to 3. I know we're fouling, but they only fouled us 3 times?

Me: Coach, how many times did you even attempt to throw the ball into the paint? (opponent had 2 BIG girls in there)


Coach: _______________

[JRutledge]

That sounds like too long of a discussion over something they are trying to accuse you of something nefarious. You are not going to "reason" with them most of the time if you are discussing this issue. Even if you tell them why they are getting more fouls called, they will still debate it with you. That is why I say what I say so that they will get the message I am not going to debate this with them.

Peace

[zm1283]

I usually give them the "Don't start with that" or "Don't go there" when they start in about the foul count. That usually does the trick.

[tomegun]

A coach complaining about the foul count is basically accusing the officials of cheating.
Officials that purposely keep the foul count even are basically cheating.

I'm not sure what it is, but I am getting increasingly tired of coaches and nonsense like this. We have to care about one team or another to even consider cheating and...we don't care that much. I also don't know of one official that is purposely kicking calls. How many of us have actually listened to blanking and moaning from a coach and changed a call? It happens so little that it is counterproductive. I understand emotions involved with basketball, but some of the coaches - in my area anyway - just take it too far. Most of the college coaches I have come in contact with this season are OK once you acknowledge their concern - and they are often working for their jobs. High school coaches on the other hand can take it to another level. If it is an extension of the classroom, some of them are horrible teachers. I have worked in areas where high school coaches make $100,000 (reportedly) and the only thing they do is coach. Where I live right now is not one of those areas!

Sorry, that is the end of my rant.

[Adam]

I ignore this, then if it happens again, I warn them that we won't be discussing the foul count. I actually told a coach earlier this year, "That's the last time you mention the foul count."

I normally don't get that aggressive, but it worked there; he didn't bring it up again. Although it went from 5-0 after the first quarter to 6-2 by half. Second half was, of course, unbalanced in the reverse.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is possible to have a civil conversation about the foul count.

Last week GV at halftime:

Coach: The fouls are 11 to 3. I know we're fouling, but they only fouled us 3 times?

Me: Coach, how many times did you even attempt to throw the ball into the paint? (opponent had 2 BIG girls in there)


Coach: _______________

Sure... it's possible to have this conversation. But why? Why engage yourself in a scheme or strategy conversation with the coach. Besides ... coach telling you the foul count is telling you because he think's you're doing something wrong. It needs to be clipped short. Quickly.

[just another ref]

I know this guy pretty well and know him to be reasonable,
wouldn't have said it to just anybody.

[Pantherdreams]

Each of these is a "you've got to be there situation."

The coach could be implying they are getting screwed or they could be trying to make a genuine point about something they are seeing or not seeing the same as you and would like clarification.

Ie. Coach A - " The fouls are 10-3. I know its a road game guys, but you haven't got to prove it." - Automatic whack.

Coach B - " The fouls are 5-1." Me - We just call what we are seeing. (On the lookout for ABS issues now.

Coach C - "The fouls are 7 - 2. I get that we're reaching in I'll talk to my kids, but I'ld like our cutters to get the same protection of movement their Pg is getting. I don't feel like we're the more physical team." Me - I hear you. If I see it I'll call it. (no worries we're moving on)

Not to mention Coaches d-zz. This completely depends on the coaches tone, approach and percieved intent.

[ballgame99]

Man, I missed a big time opportunity to T a coach up this weekend then... "the fouls are 11 to 3, you've got to be kidding me!" Nevermind her team was full-court pressing and fouling like crazy while the other team was in a 2-3 zone... She said it multiple times, then her parrot parents started chirping about it too.

[#olderthanilook]

Coach (in a whiney voice): "You've called 8 fouls on us and only 2 on them! You can't tell me they aren't fouling, too."
Me (in my head): "Not nearly as much as your team."
Me: "Which foul to you have a question about, coach?"
Coach: "I just don't know how we have so many more than they do."
Me: "We're moving on coach. If you have questions about a specific play, we are happy to answer when we can." (As I get away from him)

This usually ends the whining.

Yes, I can be very gracious. Sometimes, not so much. Depends on the actions/words of the coach leading to that exchange.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Coach (in a whiney voice): "You've called 8 fouls on us and only 2 on them! You can't tell me they aren't fouling, too."
Me (in my head): "Not nearly as much as your team."
Me: "Which foul to you have a question about, coach?"
Coach: "I just don't know how we have so many more than they do."
Me: "We're moving on coach. If you have questions about a specific play, we are happy to answer when we can." (As I get away from him)

This usually ends the whining.

Yes, I can be very gracious. Sometimes, not so much. Depends on the actions/words of the coach leading to that exchange.

Maybe it's just me.... but from some of these threads, you guys seem to have a LOT more time hanging around by the coaches than I do. There's no way I typically have time for that long of an exchange. I have stuff to do, and very little of it requires me to be next to the coach.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Maybe it's just me.... but from some of these threads, you guys seem to have a LOT more time hanging around by the coaches than I do. There's no way I typically have time for that long of an exchange. I have stuff to do, and very little of it requires me to be next to the coach.

That exchange takes only a few seconds. Typically occurs when teams are lining up for FTs or during the first of two. Or on either side of a time out.

I don't mind coaches asking questions. I'll answer if I have time.