stating the foul count

[APG]

It's not an automatic T

[maven]

It's unsporting and needs to be addressed if repeated. Not an immediate, first-offense, instant-over-the-line T from me.

[JRutledge]

If a coach says something to me about foul counts, that is when I am a smartazz. I will either say, "So" or "Stop fouling." But I will not automatically call a T for this.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If a coach says something to me about foul counts, that is when I am a smartazz. I will either say, "So" or "Stop fouling." But I will not automatically call a T for this.

Peace

+1

"I guess they need to stop fouling then." Said this before.

[tophat67]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If a coach says something to me about foul counts, that is when I am a smartazz. I will either say, "So" or "Stop fouling." But I will not automatically call a T for this.

Peace

I am with you Rut. I Tell them, "Tell your players to stop fouling"

[just another ref]

It is possible to have a civil conversation about the foul count.

Last week GV at halftime:

Coach: The fouls are 11 to 3. I know we're fouling, but they only fouled us 3 times?

Me: Coach, how many times did you even attempt to throw the ball into the paint? (opponent had 2 BIG girls in there)


Coach: _______________

[JRutledge]

That sounds like too long of a discussion over something they are trying to accuse you of something nefarious. You are not going to "reason" with them most of the time if you are discussing this issue. Even if you tell them why they are getting more fouls called, they will still debate it with you. That is why I say what I say so that they will get the message I am not going to debate this with them.

Peace

[zm1283]

I usually give them the "Don't start with that" or "Don't go there" when they start in about the foul count. That usually does the trick.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is possible to have a civil conversation about the foul count.

Last week GV at halftime:

Coach: The fouls are 11 to 3. I know we're fouling, but they only fouled us 3 times?

Me: Coach, how many times did you even attempt to throw the ball into the paint? (opponent had 2 BIG girls in there)


Coach: _______________

Sure... it's possible to have this conversation. But why? Why engage yourself in a scheme or strategy conversation with the coach. Besides ... coach telling you the foul count is telling you because he think's you're doing something wrong. It needs to be clipped short. Quickly.

[just another ref]

I know this guy pretty well and know him to be reasonable,
wouldn't have said it to just anybody.

[Pantherdreams]

Each of these is a "you've got to be there situation."

The coach could be implying they are getting screwed or they could be trying to make a genuine point about something they are seeing or not seeing the same as you and would like clarification.

Ie. Coach A - " The fouls are 10-3. I know its a road game guys, but you haven't got to prove it." - Automatic whack.

Coach B - " The fouls are 5-1." Me - We just call what we are seeing. (On the lookout for ABS issues now.

Coach C - "The fouls are 7 - 2. I get that we're reaching in I'll talk to my kids, but I'ld like our cutters to get the same protection of movement their Pg is getting. I don't feel like we're the more physical team." Me - I hear you. If I see it I'll call it. (no worries we're moving on)

Not to mention Coaches d-zz. This completely depends on the coaches tone, approach and percieved intent.

[#olderthanilook]

Coach (in a whiney voice): "You've called 8 fouls on us and only 2 on them! You can't tell me they aren't fouling, too."
Me (in my head): "Not nearly as much as your team."
Me: "Which foul to you have a question about, coach?"
Coach: "I just don't know how we have so many more than they do."
Me: "We're moving on coach. If you have questions about a specific play, we are happy to answer when we can." (As I get away from him)

This usually ends the whining.

Yes, I can be very gracious. Sometimes, not so much. Depends on the actions/words of the coach leading to that exchange.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If a coach says something to me about foul counts, that is when I am a smartazz. I will either say, "So" or "Stop fouling." But I will not automatically call a T for this.

Peace

...and if the score is in favor of the Coach complaining..."do you want the score switched also?"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...and if the score is in favor of the Coach complaining..."do you want the score switched also?"

Funny thing happen in a game I worked last year. We went in the first half and did not call a single foul on the visiting team for a half. I believe the foul count was 7-0 at half time. Then the very first foul we called against the team in the second half, I said to the coach after he made an issue out of this, "We did not call a single foul the entire first half, you really should not be complaining about that call." He kind of shut up after that. And in the first half he had almost a 20 point lead.

Peace

[Rob1968]

"I feel good about everything we've called, Coach."
Then, if the Coach mentions something specific - "Well, they're bumping our post players," or "They're chucking our guys when we try to cross the paint." I respond, "We'll take a look, Coach. Thanks."
Usually, there's no response, and we go from there.