Another blarge - Missouri State at Creighton

[SAJ]

Is the C pointing to the RA after the call? It appears so, but the defender wasn't even close to it.

[Raymond]

C's primary, incorrect call.

[johnny d]

first, i have player control foul.

second, in ncaam, lead has primary on all drives to the basket when contact occurs inside free throw line and lane lines. especially when contact is with a secondary defender, as was the case in this play. at this level, this was leads call all the way, c should have had his fist up.

[johnny d]

also, it is clear in the video that l was watching the secondary defender whereas c was not, which is why l got the call right and c didnt.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by johnny d

first, i have player control foul.

second, in ncaam, lead has primary on all drives to the basket when contact occurs inside free throw line and lane lines. especially when contact is with a secondary defender, as was the case in this play. at this level, this was leads call all the way, c should have had his fist up.

This may be true, however the contact looks like it is outside the lane. One foot barely in the lane. Still don't understand what the C was seeing.

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by OKREF

This may be true, however the contact looks like it is outside the lane. One foot barely in the lane. Still don't understand what the C was seeing.

One foot in the lane counts for a 3 second violation. Why not this?
Center blew this one in several ways.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

This may be true, however the contact looks like it is outside the lane. One foot barely in the lane. Still don't understand what the C was seeing.

One foot in the lane at the time of contact but he came from a position entirely in the lane.

Some say that a defender arriving at a play from the L's primary is the L's responsibility while a defender coming in with the drive would be the C's.

Additionally, you could have drawn a straight line from the C, through the offense and to the defender...not the best of angles (but not much better from the L either).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

not the best of angles (but not much better from the L either).

L could have pinched the paint to get a better angle.

[Scrapper1]

Neither one had a fist. Duh

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnny d

first, i have player control foul.

second, in ncaam, lead has primary on all drives to the basket when contact occurs inside free throw line and lane lines. especially when contact is with a secondary defender, as was the case in this play. at this level, this was leads call all the way, c should have had his fist up.

I think the collision was high enough and far enough over (B1's right foot was outside the lane) that the C should have still been the primary. The Lead had another defender in his area. Also the C should have had a clear look at the defender sliding over because the primary defender abandoned the play.

I don't subscribe to all secondary defenders in the paint belonging to the Lead.

The C should have had a good enough look not to need help on the play. And I said earlier, it should have been a PC.

[johnny d]

I don't prescribe to all secondary defenders in the paint belonging to the Lead.


it isnt relevent whether or not you subscribe to this philosophy. the philosophy as stated is how these plays are expected to be officiated at that level.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I don't prescribe to all secondary defenders in the paint belonging to the Lead.


it isnt relevent whether or not you subscribe to this philosophy. the philosophy as stated is how these plays are expected to be officiated at that level.

Well, I occasionally work that rule set and I'm not the only who doesn't prescribe to it. I have not had any supervisor tell me that the entire paint belongs to the Lead if a secondary defender appears. What if the Lead has post players and the ball-handler dribbles away from the Trail towards the C and has a crash with a SD just below the free throw line right in front of the C? You're telling me that belongs to the Lead?

[johnny d]

no, i am telling you that lead is the primary on secondary defenders in the lane, not that the c cannot have a call on these plays. both officials should have gone with fists before preliminary signal, but the center should know he is secondary on this type of play and should be aware of that before he goes right to block signal.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well, I occasionally work that rule set and I'm not the only who doesn't prescribe to it.

Of course you don't prescribe to it. Nobody prescribes to it.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by johnny d

first, i have player control foul.

second, in ncaam, lead has primary on all drives to the basket when contact occurs inside free throw line and lane lines. especially when contact is with a secondary defender, as was the case in this play. at this level, this was leads call all the way, c should have had his fist up.

See the now bold section of my original post. Seems pretty clear to me.