block charge double foul?

[fortmoney]

I would appreciate some insight from you experienced guys.

Girls 8th grade, both teams are pretty sloppy. Team B pressed aggressively the whole first half and, for the most part, played good, legal defense. I.e. playing close but with hands up. Team A is very untalented except for the tallest girl on the court, A1, who does most of the dribbling and shooting. A1 has broken the press and is driving down my sideline, I'm the T. I get streamlined as B1 slides over to stop the ball. In my opinion, from what I could see, B1 did not have LGP but A1 used her arm to extend and gain separation, causing B1 to fall to the ground. Since I did not see enough contact to be sure, I tried motion for B1 to get up and play on, but of course she started to tear up and A1 stopped and looked at me. I blew my whistle to stop the clock, and everyone in the gym is incredulous, both coaches and fans. I had B1 sub out of the game and we continued play with no foul assessed.

What could/should be done in this situation? Both if I had a foul as soon as it occurred, or if I stopped the game for injury, like I actually did. What could I have done better, besides get the angle between the players? I realize that is the number one mistake I made and something I've really worked hard on this season

[fortmoney]

Btw, some of that information was given to me by my partner at halftime, as I could not see what happened between A1 and B1

[Sox_Nation]

I probably would have had a foul on one or the other..hard to say without being there personally. From the explanation I would probably have called a block on B1. I say that because I am assuming (not seeing in person) that A1 used her arm for protection from the contact caused by B1 and not as an advantage...but again I didn't see it.

[fortmoney]

Yeah, I realize it's tough to know without seeing it. Thinking back, I guess it's one of those that I should have just gone with what I saw first, which would have been contract by B1 without LGP

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fortmoney

Yeah, I realize it's tough to know without seeing it. Thinking back, I guess it's one of those that I should have just gone with what I saw first, which would have been contract by B1 without LGP

From your description, I've probably got a PC foul. Not having LGP doesn't mean A1 gets to push B1 out of the way.

[stir22]

if they bring an arm up or lower their shoulder, i've got PC.

[Smitty]

Somebody had to have something. If your partner had so much information about what happened, why didn't he call something?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by stir22

Lower their shoulder.

Warning Will Robinson.

[fortmoney]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Somebody had to have something. If your partner had so much information about what happened, why didn't he call something?

Here was the sequence of events: contact, girl goes down, I motion to play on, pause, whistle. Partner comes over as I'm checking to see if the girl is alright and asks if we should have a double foul, and I figured it was too late then.

[APG]

Originally Posted by stir22

if they bring an arm up or lower their shoulder, i've got PC.

How many degrees lower does one shoulder have to be then the other?

If you're going to call a charge, call it because a player goes to and through a legal defender...there's nothing illegal in of itself because a player lowers his shoulder.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

How many degrees lower does one shoulder have to be then the other?

If you're going to call a charge, call it because a player goes to and through a legal defender...there's nothing illegal in of itself because a player lowers his shoulder.

+1.

And if the defender is moving forward and the offense goes through them, shoulder lowered or not, it is still a block. The responsibility to be in a legal position is on the defender unless the offense is extending their arm out to push off.