Correctable question

[sj]

Just to be clear on this subject.

A1 shoots. The ball goes high off the rim and apparently hits a strap supporting the basket. The trail blows his whistle and blows it dead. The ball goes in. No score is counted. Partner says nothing.

Three different situations after this.

1) Coach A says it didn't hit anything. But play goes on. B inbounds the ball. They go to the other end and are passing the ball around. Coach A is still complaining. So the partner stops play to find out what happened and goes and talks with the calling official.

Can they correct it at this point if the partner is absolutely sure and says it didn't hit anything?

2) Coach A says it didn't hit anything. But play goes on. B inbounds the ball. They dribble upcourt and throw the ball OB. Coach A is still complaining. Before handing the ball to the new thrower the partner talks about it with the calling official.

Can they correct it at this point if the partner is absolutely sure and says it didn't hit anything?

3) Coach A says it didn't hit anything. But play goes on. B inbounds the ball. They dribble upcourt and throw the ball OB. Partner hands the ball to the new thrower who throws the ball in and play continues.

Can they correct it at this point if the partner is absolutely sure and says it didn't hit anything?

[Adam]

Not correctable.

And how would the lead know anyway?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by sj

The ball goes high off the rim and apparently hits a strap supporting the basket. The trail blows his whistle and blows it dead.

Coach A says it didn't hit anything.

....and, in 1), 2), and 3) you tell the coach your partner blew it dead as he saw the ball hit the strap. Play on.

[sj]

So you guys are saying this isn't correctable as it's not "cancelling" a score in 2-10-1e? Correct?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by sj

So you guys are saying this isn't correctable as it's not "cancelling" a score in 2-10-1e? Correct?

That's right.

Canceling a score is in reference to making a call but not awarding the correct number of points that go with it.

Examples:
1. calling defensive goal-tending but canceling the score when it should be counted.
2. Calling a foul on a made shot but not counting the basket and giving the shooter 2 shots. That can be corrected by awarding the basket, then fixing the # of FTs as needed depending on when it was discovered.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by sj

1) Coach A says it didn't hit anything. But play goes on. B inbounds the ball. They go to the other end and are passing the ball around. Coach A is still complaining. So the partner stops play to find out what happened and goes and talks with the calling official.

You've already gotten the answers on this (not correctable in all 3)... but I hope (1) never happens ... partner stopping play because A is chirping while B has possession of the ball.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

And how would the lead know anyway?

Not one of the five correctable errors, but if there is a whistle, and an immediate dead ball, after the ball hits, or doesn't hit, the strap, and if the trail sincerely believes that he may have missed the call, then he can go to the table and see if they can offer any help. Table personnel are quasi-officials, aren't they?

[maven]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That's right.

Canceling a score is in reference to making a call but not awarding the correct number of points that go with it.

Examples:
1. calling defensive goal-tending but canceling the score when it should be counted.
2. Calling a foul on a made shot but not counting the basket and giving the shooter 2 shots. That can be corrected by awarding the basket, then fixing the # of FTs as needed depending on when it was discovered.

The OP does provide an example of canceling a score, since the try was successful, just as in your examples.

The difference is that in your examples the canceling was incorrect.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not one of the five correctable errors, but if there is a whistle, and an immediate dead ball, after the ball hits, or doesn't hit, the strap, and if the trail sincerely believes that he may have missed the call, then he can go to the table and see if they can offer any help. Table personnel are quasi-officials, aren't they?

Yeah, let's ask the home-provided scorer and the home-provided timer.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not one of the five correctable errors, but if there is a whistle, and an immediate dead ball, after the ball hits, or doesn't hit, the strap, and if the trail sincerely believes that he may have missed the call, then he can go to the table and see if they can offer any help. Table personnel are quasi-officials, aren't they?

There's no way I'm going to the table in this situation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by maven

The OP does provide an example of canceling a score, since the try was successful, just as in your examples.

The difference is that in your examples the canceling was incorrect.

No. In the OP, there was no score to cancel. A dead ball (due to the called violation, right or wrong) went through the basket. A dead ball can't score. Nothing to cancel as it never happened. They got the violation wrong, but that isn't correctable, even if it leads to the prevention of a score.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by sj

So you guys are saying this isn't correctable as it's not "cancelling" a score in 2-10-1e? Correct?

True, an out of bounds call whether accurate or not is not a correctable error.

Would you ask the same question if the official had whistled for a traveling violation just prior to a dunk and the coach contended that the player didn't travel?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

Yeah, let's ask the home-provided scorer and the home-provided timer.

Originally Posted by APG

There's no way I'm going to the table in this situation.

Should I have done anything different?