T on parents?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

I do not know about resorting to a technical foul, a more experienced member will have to answer that.

2.8.1 SITUATION: What guidelines should be exercised by the officials when
spectators’ actions are such that they interfere with the administration of the
game?

RULING: The rules book states “the official may rule fouls on either team
if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the
game.” It is significant to note the word used is “may.” This gives permission, but
does not in any way imply that officials must call technical fouls on team followers
or supporters for unsporting acts. Thus, while officials do have the authority
to penalize a team whose spectators interfere with the proper conduct of the
game, this authority must be used with extreme caution and discretion. While the
authority is there, the official must rarely use it, because experience has demonstrated
that calling hasty technical fouls on the crowd rarely solves the problem
and may, in fact, result in penalizing the wrong team because the official may not
have proper knowledge as to which team's supporters were responsible for the
unsporting act.

COMMENT: Responsibility for the behavior of spectators is that
of home or game management. The rules book stipulates that insofar as the management
can reasonably be expected to control the spectators, it is its responsibility
to do so. Home management has the responsibility of providing a site where
the game can proceed in a sporting manner. If the conduct of spectators prohibits
the orderly continuance of a game, the officials should have a representative of
game management take whatever action is necessary. This may require the
removal of a team follower(s). This can be done without charging the supporters'
team with a technical foul. The advised procedure is for the official to notify game
management as to which follower(s) must be removed from the site. The officials
may stop the game until host management resolves the situation. Another problem
arises when team supporters throw debris, paper, coins, ice or other items
on the floor. If the official has positive knowledge as to which supporter(s) threw
the items, the official should instruct game management to have the supporter(s)
removed from the site. As in the previous case, this can be done without charging
the supporters' team with a technical foul. If the official does not have positive
knowledge, the official should instruct game management to make a public
address announcement stating that the next time debris is thrown on the floor, it
will result in a technical foul charged to that supporters' team and will also result
in the supporter(s) being removed from the facility. If after the announcement, the
situation is not brought under control, the officials may also stop the game until
host management resolves the situation. In most situations, after an announcement
has been made, game management is very aware of the problem and will
usually have positive knowledge as to which supporter(s) threw the items on the
floor. If the disruption is not brought under control and the contest cannot safely
continue, rather than assess several technical fouls, officials are advised to
suspend the game.

[APG]

Billy...wall of text...and formatting....

[Adam]

Billy, I'll bet you could have made the same point in less than twelve words.

[APG]

You get half credit Billy

To stay on topic, going to a T against team followers should almost never come up in almost all situations. Get game management involved if you must, but I'll say, simple yelling at the officials, isn't cause for action (unless it's over the top...and even then, get game management to deal with it).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Billy, I'll bet you could have made the same point in less than twelve words.

I didn't realize that the Forum was the basketball version of Name That Tune.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I didn't realize that the Forum was the basketball version of Name That Tune.

I know I didn't read a single word of that wall of text. I'm sure others did the same. Perhaps if it had been shorter, more would've read it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I didn't realize that the Forum was the basketball version of Name That Tune.

Not at all what I was saying. Rich nailed it, though.

Keeping it shorter makes it more valuable in this case, imo. I'm curious, what was your source?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

Not at all what I was saying. Rich nailed it, though.

Keeping it shorter makes it more valuable in this case, imo. I'm curious, what was your source?

He cut-and-pasted right from the case book.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He cut-and-pasted right from the case book.

I thought so, but it was so long I thought maybe it came from some rules dissertation someone wrote in college.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He cut-and-pasted right from the case book.

Originally Posted by Adam

I thought so, but it was so long I thought maybe it came from some rules dissertation someone wrote in college.

You can tell because of the formatting (as in the text doesn't go to the end of page before starting a new line).

[BillyMac]

State That Citation.

Originally Posted by Rich

I know I didn't read a single word of that wall of text. I'm sure others did the same. Perhaps if it had been shorter, more would've read it.

Originally Posted by Adam

Not at all what I was saying. Rich nailed it, though. Keeping it shorter makes it more valuable in this case. I'm curious, what was your source?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He cut-and-pasted right from the case book.

It was a citation, and a damn good one, 2.8.1 SITUATION. Did I have to put it in quotes?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Adam

Billy, I'll bet you could have made the same point in less than twelve words.

The Forum pays him by the word......