First time to start the game with a technical

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by just another ref

How?

I think at least the T for not providing the roster to the scorer applies. If the visiting team demands that I assess it, I don't see how I could avoid doing so.

I'd rather stay out of it if possible.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I think at least the T for not providing the roster to the scorer applies. If the visiting team demands that I assess it, I don't see how I could avoid doing so.

I'd rather stay out of it if possible.

I don't call anything because the other team demands it. It is possible, so stay out of it.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't call anything because the other team demands it. It is possible, so stay out of it.

I'm going to have to disagree. The roster wasn't there 10 minutes before the scheduled start time. Yes, there were extenuating circumstances that should cause a good-sportsman opponent wave the T, but I don't see how I can ignore it if they won't.

You wouldn't just ignore the T for adding a player during the game, especially if the coach demanded you apply the rule and for me this is a similar enough situation. I don't have a problem with it not being that way for you.

It's never happened to me. In fact, I've even had a team refuse to accept a T for adding a player during a game.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I'm going to have to disagree. The roster wasn't there 10 minutes before the scheduled start time. Yes, there were extenuating circumstances that should cause a good-sportsman opponent wave the T, but I don't see how I can ignore it if they won't.

You wouldn't just ignore the T for adding a player during the game, especially if the coach demanded you apply the rule and for me this is a similar enough situation. I don't have a problem with it not being that way for you.

It's never happened to me. In fact, I've even had a team refuse to accept a T for adding a player during a game.

It has been agreed upon by some, not all, that the "scheduled start time" is a bit of a gray area. I wouldn't ignore a T for anything, but if I did, that wouldn't change because of the insistence of the opposing coach. On the other hand, a team does not have the option of refusing to accept a T. They can intentionally miss the free throws and throw the ball out of bounds if they wish.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It has been agreed upon by some, not all, that the "scheduled start time" is a bit of a gray area. I wouldn't ignore a T for anything, but if I did, that wouldn't change because of the insistence of the opposing coach.

I certainly seem to have the firmest definition of scheduled start time.

On the other hand, a team does not have the option of refusing to accept a T. They can intentionally miss the free throws and throw the ball out of bounds if they wish.

A point I tried unsuccessfully to make to the referee at the time.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I certainly seem to have the firmest definition of scheduled start time.

What if the late coach has the key to the gym and everybody is waiting outside? Do you T both teams for not having their lineup submitted?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

especially if the coach demanded you apply the rule and for me this is a similar enough situation.

I have no problem with your interpretation of the rule, and if you decided to issue a T where most of us wouldn't, I have no problem with that either.

However, this is twice you seemed to intimate that "especially if the coach demanded..." matters to you. It should not. Ever. If you decided it was a T, it's a T. If you decided it's not, it's not. Opposing coach's insistence is completely and entirely irrelevant, and honestly it irks me to some degree that you seem to consider it relevant.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I have no problem with your interpretation of the rule, and if you decided to issue a T where most of us wouldn't, I have no problem with that either.

However, this is twice you seemed to intimate that "especially if the coach demanded..." matters to you. It should not. Ever. If you decided it was a T, it's a T. If you decided it's not, it's not. Opposing coach's insistence is completely and entirely irrelevant, and honestly it irks me to some degree that you seem to consider it relevant.

Look at it this way: the home team needs the visiting team's agreement to reschedule the start time. The teams have a contract that specifies the start time. The teams may, by common consent, reschedule the start time at any point prior to the ball being tossed.

The visiting team's coach in this instance is demonstrating that he does not agree to the rescheduling and so it is a T. If he doesn't ask for it, he is agreeing to the rescheduling so there is no infraction.

Whether or not there is a T depends on whether the scheduled start time is changed which depends on the other coach agreeing to the change. So, yes, the T is up to the offended coach, imo.

For my part, I'm going to try to talk him into agreeing to just start the game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Look at it this way: the home team needs the visiting team's agreement to reschedule the start time. The teams have a contract that specifies the start time. The teams may, by common consent, reschedule the start time at any point prior to the ball being tossed.

You think HS games have a contract? I doubt that most of them have anything like that. The league dictates most of their schedules.


I've started games up to 1 hour late due to the earlier games running long (OT's plus and extended delay for injury). The schedule start time was 7:30. Since the game before was still in the 1st half at 7:20, I was not going to check to see if both teams had provided their info. I wasn't even on the court.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You think HS games have a contract? I doubt that most of them have anything like that. The league dictates most of their schedules.


I've started games up to 1 hour late due to the earlier games running long (OT's plus and extended delay for injury). The schedule start time was 7:30. Since the game before was still in the 1st half at 7:20, I was not going to check to see if both teams had provided their info. I wasn't even on the court.

Your area my be different. In my area, yes, these games are contracted between the schools.