Butler-Gonzaga finish

[JetMetFan]

Are you looking at the clock above the backboard, or the "clock" on the espn score display at the bottom of the screen?

I was looking at the clock on the ESPN display which, in this case, happened to be one of the scoreboard clocks. I know there's a bit of a lag in the arena but it shouldn't be that bad.

[JRutledge]

If you saw the broadcast and the angle from under the basket (camera under the basket to be specific), you could see the other end's light and it looked like the ball was out. BUt the light did appear to start to come on with .01 on the shot clock display version of the game clock. I have not seen this in highlight versions.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I was looking at the clock on the ESPN display which, in this case, happened to be one of the scoreboard clocks. I know there's a bit of a lag in the arena but it shouldn't be that bad.

There was some picture last year where the clock on the back board was zero and the clock on the facade of teh second level in the arena was x.

It can happen.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you saw the broadcast and the angle from under the basket (camera under the basket to be specific), you could see the other end's light and it looked like the ball was out. BUt the light did appear to start to come on with .01 on the shot clock display version of the game clock. I have not seen this in highlight versions.

Peace

I saw that too.

[Nevadaref]

Anyone think that Jones traveled before releasing his try?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Anyone think that Jones traveled before releasing his try?

If you use YT in HTML5 mode, additional playback options become available, and using those controls, it certainly looks like he may have.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You have to be F.K.M. Dipping his shoulder and creating contact? Classic fan-boy statement.

Agreed, If I was forced to make a call either way, I'd have a block.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by drofficial

My point exactly: When a defender leans and leans, and then clearly pushes with an extended arm, we now call that "incidental contact" simply because the offended player does not fall to the floor. And we wonder why we have trouble with flopping.

When we have bodies on the floor, we have to call something. But if we have an obvious push and the player does not fall down, it's incidental contact. Think of the foolishness of that philosophy.

LOL. You don't officiate do you? What you consider "clearly" is something I don't see at all.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

LOL. You don't officiate do you? What you consider "clearly" is something I don't see at all.

Video review question on block charge

Dipping the shoulder seems to be a POE for the good doctor.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by drofficial

The guy who stole the ball in the final seconds last night committed two fouls. Of course, no "good official" would ever call either one in that case. But by rule both were fouls. He pushed the big kid out of the way (leaning on him AND extending the arm on the push)... Then he committed an offensive fould by dipping his shoulder and creating contact, which gave him a clear advantage by creating space.

It's too bad that basketball is not officiated by the rules. It would make the game much better.

I agree there was a push on the inbounds play to creat space to catch.

Video clearly shows A1 does not dip his shoulder on the dribble drive.

[APG]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I agree there was a push on the inbounds play to creat space to catch.

Video clearly shows A1 does not dip his shoulder on the dribble drive.

Where is this magical interpretation that states if one shoulder is lower than the other, then it's an offensive/player control foul?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I agree there was a push on the inbounds play to creat space to catch.

Video clearly shows A1 does not dip his shoulder on the dribble drive.

Here's a good example of different takes on the same play.

I don't see a push, or at least not one worthy of a call. The offensive player went one way, the pass went the other. In the process of disengaging, the defender extended his arms. Play on.

I think the video clearly shows that A1 does dip his shoulder, (slightly) but dipping one's shoulder is not in and of itself illegal.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by just another ref

here's a good example of different takes on the same play.

I don't see a push, or at least not one worthy of a call. The offensive player went one way, the pass went the other. In the process of disengaging, the defender extended his arms. Play on.

I think the video clearly shows that a1 does dip his shoulder, (slightly) but dipping one's shoulder is not in and of itself illegal.

No way! You're wrong!! LOL

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by APG

Where is this magical interpretation that states if one shoulder is lower than the other, then it's an offensive/player control foul?

The OP states A1's shoulder dips (thereby implying A1 fouled B1). I'm merely stating the video clearly shows the offensive player doesn't dip his shoulder.

jar clearly disagrees.

[APG]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

The OP states A1's shoulder dips (thereby implying A1 fouled B1). I'm merely stating the video clearly shows the offensive player doesn't dip his shoulder.

jar clearly disagrees.

Didn't mean that to be directed necessarily at you....I just don't like the term in general and don't use it. It sends up warning flags to me, much like an official that uses something along the lines of getting a player with the body in trying to explain a foul.