Discovered Blood during a TO

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

The rule says the player shall be directed to leave the game.

Once a player is directed to leave (and the coach hasn't taken a TO), they can't return until the clock has run.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Once a player is directed to leave (and the coach hasn't taken a TO), they can't return until the clock has run.

I still argue that if the player is "directed to leave" for blood during an extended stoppage in play for another reason then that player can "return" provided the situation has been remedied by the time play resumes.

Is that exception explicitly spelled out in the rules book? No. But again every single variable of every situation does not have specific language or a case book play to address it. Sometimes we have to use common sense and apply the rule intelligently to a given situation.

IMO this is one of those instances. Not everyone agrees with me and that's fine. This is what I have done and will continue to do until directed otherwise.

[just another ref]

I'm looking at it this way. If a stoppage of any kind is already in progress, there is no "game" for the player to leave. I see a kid standing in the huddle with blood on his arm. Before I can say anything, the trainer wipes off the blood and applies a bandage. By the time the "game" resumes, he's ready to go.

Isn't a timeout a part of the game? Maybe so, but even if it is, the player doesn't have to leave it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm looking at it this way. If a stoppage of any kind is already in progress, there is no "game" for the player to leave. I see a kid standing in the huddle with blood on his arm. Before I can say anything, the trainer wipes off the blood and applies a bandage. By the time the "game" resumes, he's ready to go.

Isn't a timeout a part of the game? Maybe so, but even if it is, the player doesn't have to leave it.

I agree with this take.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm looking at it this way. If a stoppage of any kind is already in progress, there is no "game" for the player to leave. I see a kid standing in the huddle with blood on his arm. Before I can say anything, the trainer wipes off the blood and applies a bandage. By the time the "game" resumes, he's ready to go.

Isn't a timeout a part of the game? Maybe so, but even if it is, the player doesn't have to leave it.

I think all of us would probably handle your situation this way. But your situation is different than the OP and VaTerp's point...in both of those the player was directed to leave the game. The rules on that player coming back in are clear - wait for time to run or call a timeout. VaTerp is going to handle it his own way, which is fine for him, but he has no basis within the rules to do it that way and is contradicting what the rules say.

[OKREF]

The OP doesn't say the player was directed to leave.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by OKREF

The OP doesn't say the player was directed to leave.

It does say that his partner told the coach...wonder what he told that coach?

And VaTerp, the rules regarding this situation have been stated several times and are clear. You are choosing to handle a situation where you tell the coach the player has blood and must be taken care of in a way which is not supported by the rules.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

It does say that his partner told the coach...wonder what he told that coach?

And VaTerp, the rules regarding this situation have been stated several times and are clear. You are choosing to handle a situation where you tell the coach the player has blood and must be taken care of in a way which is not supported by the rules.

Im saying the same thing as JAR, that if play is stopped then there is essentially no game for the player to be directed from.

And for the last time, I think my interpretation is a clear common sense application of the rule which is supported.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I think all of us would probably handle your situation this way. But your situation is different than the OP and VaTerp's point...in both of those the player was directed to leave the game. The rules on that player coming back in are clear - wait for time to run or call a timeout. VaTerp is going to handle it his own way, which is fine for him, but he has no basis within the rules to do it that way and is contradicting what the rules say.

I think me and JAR are basically saying the same thing.

I fail to see how what I am saying has no basis within the rules or that it contradicts the rules but whatever.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

But your situation is different than the OP and VaTerp's point...in both of those the player was directed to leave the game.

That's the whole problem. In the OP, I say the player should not have been directed to leave.

[just another ref]

If you see a player take his shirttail out during a
timeout/injury stoppage/other break in the action pause, would you direct him to leave the game?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That's the whole problem. In the OP, I say the player should not have been directed to leave.

This is the better way to put it.

If play is already stopped for an extended period due to a charged timeout, player injury, or another situation then I'm essentially telling the coach to get the blood situation corrected not directing the player to leave the game.

The intent and purpose of the rule is to address the blood situation with as little disruption of the game as possible. If it can be addressed during the course of stoppage for another reason then what purpose is served by insisting that the player must sit out?

Nobody has answered that question.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by OKREF

If it is cleaned up by the time the injured player is off the court and we are ready to play I am probably letting them in, if not then they must take a timeout.

Originally Posted by VaTerp

This is the better way to put it.

If play is already stopped for an extended period due to a charged timeout, player injury, or another situation then I'm essentially telling the coach to get the blood situation corrected not directing the player to leave the game.

The intent and purpose of the rule is to address the blood situation with as little disruption of the game as possible. If it can be addressed during the course of stoppage for another reason then what purpose is served by insisting that the player must sit out?

Nobody has answered that question.

I agree. The play was already stopped for injury. If they get fixed prior to the end of the injury stoppage, I am letting them stay.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Nobody has answered that question.

My point guard get slammed into and has the wind knocked out of him. You beckon me onto the court. He gets up and is ready to go, but you tell me that I have to take a timeout in order for him to stay in the game. I request a timeout.

As you are walking to the table, I point out to you that my opponent's point guard is bleeding from his elbow. You tell me you will take care of it and you tell the other coach about the blood. At the end of the timeout, both point guards are ready to go, but you have only required me to use a timeout to keep my player in the game. The other coach just got a freebie from you because you won't handle it according to rule.

And you don't think that is an advantage for that other coach?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Once a player is directed to leave (and the coach hasn't taken a TO), they can't return until the clock has run.

Sit a tick?