You Make The Call

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by just another ref

He must have also missed. One of the redshirts wound up with the ball out away from the basket. Was something weird actually called, as opposed to the very obvious travel? Or was this posted on youtube by a follower of the losing team who had some kind of issue. I see no one bothered to comment on youtube.

JAR,

More than likely this.

I said travel without thought but thought maybe I missed something.

Good call, imo.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Illegal hangtime. 10 yards. Loss of down. Turnover on downs.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tjones1

JAR,

More than likely this.

I said travel without thought but thought maybe I missed something.

Good call, imo.

Hmmm, "mediumturquoise".

Not there is anything wrong with that.

[egj13]

Is that the division line that he crosses once he catches it and before he shoots? If it is I see an over and back

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by egj13

Is that the division line that he crosses once he catches it and before he shoots? If it is I see an over and back

No.

That is one of the lines for the volleyball court.

And I seriously cannot understand how anyone can have a problem with a travel call on this play...even a home team fan. Good grief.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

No.

That is one of the lines for the volleyball court.

And I seriously cannot understand how anyone can have a problem with a travel call on this play...even a home team fan. Good grief.

Hell'uva move... if you can get away with it!

[ODog]

Originally Posted by egj13

If it is, I see an over and back

Uh oh, you won't find that one in the rules book.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by egj13

Is that the division line that he crosses once he catches it and before he shoots? If it is I see an over and back

Originally Posted by ODog

Uh oh, you won't find that one in the rules book.

That's funny, it is in my book. Over "the" back isn't, but over and back is. It may not be called that exactly (it's a backcourt violation), but there is nothing wrong with calling it over and back. It accurately describes the situation.

[JugglingReferee]

[Tio]

Bad angle, not enough view.

He does travel when he attempts to gather his shot. Also, he crosses a line... but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That's funny, it is in my book. Over "the" back isn't, but over and back is. It may not be called that exactly (it's a backcourt violation), but there is nothing wrong with calling it over and back. It accurately describes the situation.

I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

I think that part of the reasoning behind being a little nit-picky on the terminology is that "over and back" is not necessarily a backcourt violation. In bringing the ball to the frontcourt, you can be part of the way across (over) and then return to the backcourt (and back) —*and it is not a violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

We do? I certainly don't. There are a lot of things I'd worry about before I bother correcting someone on endline vs. baseline.

For that matter, I probably say baseline a good part of the time. And you know what, I'll keep saying it because everyone knows exactly what it means with no confusion. There are certain "non-official" phrases or words that are just fine and express exactly the same as their "official" counterpart. Over-and-back is one of them too. It precisely describes the call just as well, if not better, than backcourt violation.