YOU make the call

[Terrapins Fan]

Watch the video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15GLJ...eature=related

What do you have?

[rngrck]

Flagrant foul and ejection.

[Mark Padgett]

What do you mean? The official is calling a technical foul on a coach. Are you asking if he should also call a foul on the player who hit the shooter after the technical was called?

[rgncjn]

It does appear the defender was attempting to block the shot. However, it does appear the defender stuck his knee into the danger zone of the shooter. Based on that conclusion, I think I would be inclined to call a flagrant personal foul... based on the wording in the rulebook, "if personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking, and kneeing."

Additional information could not hurt, such as, whether or not this player has been causing trouble or playing dirty the entire contest.

Regardless, I feel obligated to call a flagrant personal foul.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Watch the video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15GLJyUIoPU

What do you have?

FIBA's definitions of when fouls may happen are slightly different than Fed. I have the T against the coach, and a disqualifying foul against B1.

[bigdog5142]

T against the coach, and AT LEAST intentional against the player if not flagrant...I lean toward flagrant.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rgncjn

Based on that conclusion, I think I would be inclined to call a flagrant personal foul...

The referee's whistle in this case made the ball dead before the contact occurred (different than calling a shooting foul). You could have a flagrant foul, but it would be a technical for contact of a flagrant nature during a dead ball. The only difference would be that any player could then shoot the free throws and that the ball would then be inbounded at the division line.

[rngrck]

I may be way out on this one, but it almost looks like the coach was trying to distract the ref from seeing this contact. Heads up to the ref for staying with the play while calling the T.

[bigdog5142]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

The referee's whistle in this case made the ball dead before the contact occurred (different than calling a shooting foul). You could have a flagrant foul, but it would be a technical for contact of a flagrant nature during a dead ball. The only difference would be that any player could then shoot the free throws and that the ball would then be inbounded at the division line.

'Course...you're right that it was a dead ball...so it would have to be a flagrant tech or just a tech.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

The referee's whistle in this case made the ball dead before the contact occurred (different than calling a shooting foul). You could have a flagrant foul, but it would be a technical for contact of a flagrant nature during a dead ball. The only difference would be that any player could then shoot the free throws and that the ball would then be inbounded at the division line.

I don't know, Mark. I think the whistle is close enough to the contact that you'd be hard pressed to pull that off.

I don't think the defender was going for the ball. His hands were never even remotely straight up. He aimed for the body, pure and simple.

I wish I knew what the coach was saying!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

The referee's whistle in this case made the ball dead before the contact occurred

Interesting. The shooter had obviously started the motion when the whistle was blown. But since the foul is against the coach and not a defensive player, the ball becomes dead immediately?

4-11-1 says that continuous motion does not apply unless a defensive player commits a foul, blah blah blah.

But 4-11-2 says "opponent", not necessarily a player. And 6-7, exception C also says "opponent".

So does the T by the defensive coach cause the ball to become dead?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Interesting. The shooter had obviously started the motion when the whistle was blown. But since the foul is against the coach and not a defensive player, the ball becomes dead immediately?

4-11-1 says that continuous motion does not apply unless a defensive player commits a foul, blah blah blah.

But 4-11-2 says "opponent", not necessarily a player. And 6-7, exception C also says "opponent".

So does the T by the defensive coach cause the ball to become dead?

do we know for sure that it is the defensive coach?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

do we know for sure that it is the defensive coach?

Juulie - since it looks to me like the T came before the player foul, it wouldn't make a difference.

[mcdanrd]

How about a False Double Foul with both the technical on the coach and an intentional (which is what the official called) on the player being penalized? It appears to me that the whistle for the T was too late to stop any action by the player.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by mcdanrd

How about a False Double Foul with both the technical on the coach and an intentional (which is what the official called) on the player being penalized? It appears to me that the whistle for the T was too late to stop any action by the player.

How do you know what the official called on the player? Not being rude, just curious.