You Make The Call

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My call?

Not a very good videographer.

I could not figure out what the hell was going on with the video. I thought it was just my feed of the video at first.

Peace

[stiffler3492]

I'm sure the videography was fine...The editing needs some work...

[ODog]

Originally Posted by egj13

If it is, I see an over and back

Uh oh, you won't find that one in the rules book.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by egj13

Is that the division line that he crosses once he catches it and before he shoots? If it is I see an over and back

Originally Posted by ODog

Uh oh, you won't find that one in the rules book.

That's funny, it is in my book. Over "the" back isn't, but over and back is. It may not be called that exactly (it's a backcourt violation), but there is nothing wrong with calling it over and back. It accurately describes the situation.

[JugglingReferee]

[Tio]

Bad angle, not enough view.

He does travel when he attempts to gather his shot. Also, he crosses a line... but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Tio

Bad angle, not enough view.

He does travel when he attempts to gather his shot. Also, he crosses a line... but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

It is not the division line.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Tio

he crosses a line, but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

Originally Posted by tjones1

It is not the division line.

Catholic middle school game a few weeks ago. I called a backcourt violation that I later discovered, by talking to the coach, and the fans, was not a backcourt violation because the line I used to make the call was a volleyball line. My partner, the lead, couldn't help me out. Stupid volleyball lines.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That's funny, it is in my book. Over "the" back isn't, but over and back is. It may not be called that exactly (it's a backcourt violation), but there is nothing wrong with calling it over and back. It accurately describes the situation.

I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

I never say walk. Why would an official ever?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I never say walk. Why would an official ever?

I am not talking about an official exactly, just saying that if a coach or player said that you would not be totally confused as to what they were asking or describing. Over the back on the other hand has a misunderstanding of what the rule is or what actually took place.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

I don't think using "baseline" instead of "endline" etc. is perjorative.

And, I'd be unlikley to correct a coach who asked me about "over the back."

But, I do think that officials should strive for correct terminology especially in written form. A post *only* to point out the error might be perjorative, but if it's in conjunction with the correct ruling, ...

[OKREF]

Yes coach he was over the back. When he gets on the back I will call it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes coach he was over the back. When he gets on the back I will call it.

Just about the worst possible thing an official could say to a coach in that situation, IMO.