Foul at end of the game

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Voolander

Team A is down 1 when they intercept the ball from Team B on B's side of the court. Team A attempts to shoot the ball, official blows whistle for foul and horn sounds simultaneously, should Team A be awarded 2 free throws?

First, I'm assuming that this was not a throw-in pass with .3 or less on the clock. According to the sequence of events in your description, there should be free throws.

interception

start of try

whistle/horn


A release of the shot is not necessary to have free throws in this situation, if that's what you are asking.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A release of the shot is not necessary to have free throws in this situation, if that's what you are asking.

Good point.

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good point.

Had this happen to me the other day in a JVG game. Called a foul on defense as horn was going off and ball came out of hands after the buzzer. Gave two free throws and the coach wasn't too happy. Of course my partner questioned my interpretation as well, but I felt pretty confident.

[Voolander]

Well to make matters worse, the team that got fouled was in the double bonus so the shot coming out didn't matter. I strongly believe based on what I've read here that foul at the horn should've resulted in FTs.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Voolander

Well to make matters worse, the team that got fouled was in the double bonus so the shot coming out didn't matter. I strongly believe based on what I've read here that foul at the horn should've resulted in FTs.

Maybe.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Voolander

Well to make matters worse, the team that got fouled was in the double bonus so the shot coming out didn't matter. I strongly believe based on what I've read here that foul at the horn should've resulted in FTs.

You definitely don't have enough information to make that decision (or at least, you have not given it to us). I will say, however, that the referee telling you "They were simultaneous, so no free throws" erred. He gets paid to make the decision as to whether the foul occurred before or after the buzzer - simultaneous is not an option. There are no ties between unrelated events. At some point, two similarly timed events become too close together for a human to be able to differentiate with certainty... but there ARE no ties, and certainly no rules regarding them.

[Voolander]

The ref in question said both events happened at the same time and he ended the game. I think I have what I need to make me feel better. I witnessed this call and the official wouldn't listen to me. He indicated that since both events happened at the exact same time the game is over. The foul in this situation would've put Team A in the double bonus. I think he's wrong, but it is water under the bridge now.

[BktBallRef]

It has nothing to do with the whistle. If the foul occurs before the horn, you shoot FTs. And since the whistle always comes after the foul, there's your answer.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It has nothing to do with the whistle. If the foul occurs before the horn, you shoot FTs. And since the whistle always comes after the foul, there's your answer.

Great point.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It has nothing to do with the whistle. If the foul occurs before the horn, you shoot FTs. And since the whistle always comes after the foul, there's your answer.

Agreed, and if you don't know which happened first, then the foul happened first.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you don't know which happened first, then the foul happened first.

Based on this: "If table officials disagree, the goal shall count and/or the foul shall be penalized, unless the referee has knowledge which alters such ruling."?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Based on this: "If table officials disagree, the goal shall count and/or the foul shall be penalized, unless the referee has knowledge which alters such ruling."?

Sure.