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(Note: Don't confuse advantage/disadvantage with the Tower Philosophy which is similar, but is not exactly the same as advantage/disadvantage.)
Prove it. It is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player of a team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not intended by a rule. Rules include both fouls, and violations. The "Intent and Purpose" preamble to the rulebook refers to rules, it doesn't solely refer to fouls. I even got the late, great, Jurassic Referee to admit that advantage/disadvantage may apply to some violations, and three seconds was one of the two he put into that category. The second was a ten second count on a free throw. Getting Jurassic Referee to partially agree with me was definitely the highlight of my Forum career. That was the closest that I ever got to becoming an esteemed member, I peaked, flamed out, and it's been all downhill from there.
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If the player is attempting to get out but is blocked by an opponent, I will not call 3 seconds.
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You are twisting two separate things together. (again) Advantage/Disadvantage is written into the definition of a personal foul, though it does not use those exact terms. "contact which hinders a player....." No such language is used in any violation definition. There are different interpretations of how strictly to enforce violations, perhaps most notably 3 second violations, (and NCAA traveling) but these interpretations have no support in the strict reading of the written rule.
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Good luck calling a ten second violation the next time a player takes ten and a half seconds to shoot a free throw. Is there an internet in heaven? If so, Jurassic Referee, please send us a sign.
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"Purpose ... intent"? Sure sounds like a reference to the "Intent and Purpose" preamble to the rulebook. Doesn't the NFHS say something about advantage and disadvantage in that preamble?
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The little guy still probably was gaining no more advantage than he was at 3. I'm done with this. Quote:
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You know, this isn't about calling or not calling the three second violation. Doesn't really matter to me if the 63" player pulled two sticks out of his (probably fairly small) pockets and sat down in the lane and started a campfire.
It's about saying too much to a coach. I didn't see a question in the OP. I'm guessing the coach was hollering for 3-seconds. Why even have the conversation? Simply let him go on thinking you missed it and keep the game going. If he asks the question politely, tell him you didn't have him in there too long and that you'll look for it in the future. Then don't change anything. |
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The coach did complain and I tried to explain. If the kid had been taller to box off or get a rebound, I would have called it. this kid was under 100 pounds and short. He was up against 3 players from the other team that were about 6' tall and over 160 pounds. My point was to keep the game flowing. Coach was upset because the other team had made a run and caught up. That's really what it was. |
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Like Rich said. I'm not even addressing this complaint. If he asks a polite question, I might say I was giving him a chance to get out since he was trying. After his warning, however, I'm not going to discuss it later.
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That is, unless the official keeps the conversation going. |
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You not only said too much, you told a coach you purposedly ignored a rule. Next time, if you really want keep the game flowing and shut the coach down then your best answer would have be "you know what coach, you might be right about this one."
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You know you didn't call it b/c you just wanted to keep the game moving. But you don't want to have an on-going dialogue over a single insignificant play. So "coach, you're probably right" lets you get away with the no-call without having to explain it AND shuts the coach down at the same time.
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