Replacement FT for buzzer sounding?

[La Rikardo]

Was doing a girls freshman game today. White led 41-40 with around five seconds left and was at the line shooting two. As she puts up the first free throw, table sounds the horn to inform me that the girl who'd committed the foul had five. The free throw missed. White's coach wanted a replacement free throw. I told her no because the only way we can give a replacement free throw is if B violates. We got the DQ'd girl out of the game and shot the second free throw, which was good. Blue missed a three at the buzzer and White won.

I don't believe there's anything in the rules that give the officials discretion to award a replacement FT for anything other than a violation by B. Am I wrong?

[JRutledge]

It is a judgement call if you feel the FTs were affected by the buzzer. Otherwise you play on. Hard to tell if that is the case here. I guess the question I would ask, which was the home team? If the home team was at the line I would be more inclined to let it go. If the visiting team did this I would be more likely to give a substitute. It also would matter about the timing of the buzzer as well. But ultimately the casebook used to say it was at the discretion of the officials to decide if you stop play for this.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If the home team was at the line I would be more inclined to let it go. If the visiting team did this I would be more likely to give a substitute.

How do you possibly justify this?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

How do you possibly justify this?

Easy. I have had home teams conveniently blow the horn when the other team has the ball or when they are in action. I know it has happen on purpose a couple of times. That is why I said it would depend on a lot of things. But if the home team did it to themselves, then that is all you have to say to the coach. "You hired them."

The thing is there is no right or wrong answer because if this is not in the rulebook then the Referee can make any decision they want to because it is not directly in the rulebook. I am pretty sure there used to be a casebook play giving some guidance, but I could not find anything in the current books.

Peace

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Easy. I have had home teams conveniently blow the horn when the other team has the ball or when they are in action. I know it has happen on purpose a couple of times. That is why I said it would depend on a lot of things. But if the home team did it to themselves, then that is all you have to say to the coach. "You hired them."

The thing is there is no right or wrong answer because if this is not in the rulebook then the Referee can make any decision they want to because it is not directly in the rulebook. I am pretty sure there used to be a casebook play giving some guidance, but I could not find anything in the current books.

Peace

We have a couple of coaches around here that I would not put it past to have an agreement with their clock operator to do this at just the right time.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But if the home team did it to themselves, then that is all you have to say to the coach. "You hired them."

We've been focusing only on the other side of the issue, but this is just as bad. You think it's all right to penalize a home player who was distracted on a free throw because the home clock operator is incompetent?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

We've been focusing only on the other side of the issue, but this is just as bad. You think it's all right to penalize a home player who was distracted on a free throw because the home clock operator is incompetent?

This is not about morals. This is about game management. The home team screws their team they are not getting the benefit of the doubt.

I am not asking you to like it, just telling you what I will and have done. I am OK with my position on this and having experienced these situation personally that is how I handled them. And in my experience this is the way most officials I deal with handle it the same way.

Peace

[Terrapins Fan]

I agree with Rut.

Did the table do it to distract the shooter?

That's how I justify it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Did the table do it to distract the shooter?

I don't know, did they? We are not equipped to make that judgment.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't know, did they? We are not equipped to make that judgment.

This is why you get paid the big bucks, to make decisions that no one else can.

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I agree with Rut.

Did it distract the shooter?

That's how I justify it.

Fixed it for ya. No Charge!

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is a judgement call if you feel the FTs were affected by the buzzer. Otherwise you play on. Hard to tell if that is the case here. I guess the question I would ask, which was the home team? If the home team was at the line I would be more inclined to let it go. If the visiting team did this I would be more likely to give a substitute. It also would matter about the timing of the buzzer as well. But ultimately the casebook used to say it was at the discretion of the officials to decide if you stop play for this.

Peace

White=home

imo

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SAJ

White=home

imo

Could have been a tournament. Not always the indication of who is actually home. And if it was a tournament, then the conversation from my end would be different.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If the home team was at the line I would be more inclined to let it go.

A few yrs ago in a VG game I had the home team "accidentally" touch the wrong button at the table just before half-time and the announcements/advertisements started playing just as the player was releasing the shot. CLANK..... it was the home team. Play on.

As this play states, it did make me pause though......