Lob Just Before the Buzzer

[LeeBallanfant]

Baylor-Kansas State game tonight. Just before half ends, K State player lobs ball toward basket with teammate breaking for basket looking for the Alley Oop play. Buzzer sounds while ball in air and player looking to make Alley Oop fails to touch ball, ball nearly goes in basket.

If it went in, disallow if you are sure it is a pass????

[eyezen]

In a word, no.

[DonInKansas]

Not a chance, unless you're planning on all hell breaking loose.

[BktBallRef]

Ah, no.

[tjones1]

Negative, ghost rider.

[jdw3018]

You could if you were positive. But there would be no way to be positive on that play. In fact, I think he was shooting.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Baylor-Kansas State game tonight. Just before half ends, K State player lobs ball toward basket with teammate breaking for basket looking for the Alley Oop play. Buzzer sounds while ball in air and player looking to make Alley Oop fails to touch ball, ball nearly goes in basket.

If it went in, disallow if you are sure it is a pass????

I'd make that call...remotely from the safety of my car if I had a police escort and was doing about 75mph away from the game site and was relatively sure I'd never have a game there again...I'd also probably have to change my name and join the sports officials equivalent of the witness protection program...

[refnrev]

Here are the pertinent questions to ask yourself.
1. I am ready to die?
2. Do I have enough life insurance that my loved one will be taken care of when I die?
3. Where do I want to be buried?
4. Have I made funeral arrangements yet?

Do you see a pattern emerging here? Don't make that call!!!!!!!!!!!

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Baylor-Kansas State game tonight. Just before half ends, K State player lobs ball toward basket with teammate breaking for basket looking for the Alley Oop play. Buzzer sounds while ball in air and player looking to make Alley Oop fails to touch ball, ball nearly goes in basket.

If it went in, disallow if you are sure it is a pass????

Count it, unless lob is towards opponents basket.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

If it went in, disallow if you are sure it is a pass????

Why would you want to do that?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

If it went in, disallow if you are sure it is a pass????

As others have stated, you still count the basket.

Rule 5-1-1: "A goal is made if a live ball enters the basket from above and remains in or passes through." No mention that there has to be a "shot", "attempt", "try", etc.

So, how about whether it's a 3-point basket? 5-2-1: "A successful try, tap, or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19'-9" arc counts 3 points." There are, of course, the exceptions, such as if the ball touches the floor first, touches a teammate inside the arc, etc.

Iow, we don't have to judge if it's a shot or pass, even to count a 3-point basket.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

As others have stated, you still count the basket.

Rule 5-1-1: "A goal is made if a live ball enters the basket from above and remains in or passes through." No mention that there has to be a "shot", "attempt", "try", etc.

So, how about whether it's a 3-point basket? 5-2-1: "A successful try, tap, or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19'-9" arc counts 3 points." There are, of course, the exceptions, such as if the ball touches the floor first, touches a teammate inside the arc, etc.

Iow, we don't have to judge if it's a shot or pass, even to count a 3-point basket.

Except that this isn't about whether it should count 3 points, it's whether it should count at all - the ball only stays live after the clock expires if it's a try. Otherwise the horn causes it to immediately become dead.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Except that this isn't about whether it should count 3 points, it's whether it should count at all - the ball only stays live after the clock expires if it's a try. Otherwise the horn causes it to immediately become dead.

Huh? are you saying you would waive it off?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by deecee

Huh? are you saying you would waive it off?

Nope. I even posted above that I saw the play and believe it was a shot.

My point was simply that M&M's citation doesn't apply to this situation. In order to wave something like this off, I'd have to be 100% certain it was a pass and not a shot...and I'm rarely 100% certain of anything these days.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, how about whether it's a 3-point basket? 5-2-1: "A successful try, tap, or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19'-9" arc counts 3 points." There are, of course, the exceptions, such as if the ball touches the floor first, touches a teammate inside the arc, etc.

Another one of those exceptions is if the ball is dead...like after a period ends.