Replacement FT for buzzer sounding?

[Terrapins Fan]

I agree with Rut.

Did the table do it to distract the shooter?

That's how I justify it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Did the table do it to distract the shooter?

I don't know, did they? We are not equipped to make that judgment.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't know, did they? We are not equipped to make that judgment.

This is why you get paid the big bucks, to make decisions that no one else can.

Peace

[just another ref]

If this is a single incident, which hopefully it is, it would be totally unfair to assume it was intentionally done. Whatever you would do for one team in this case must be done for the other.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If this is a single incident, which hopefully it is, it would be totally unfair to assume it was intentionally done. Whatever you would do for one team in this case must be done for the other.

It is not a matter of if it is intentionally done IMO. I think the issue that it was done and you will have to decide if something should be done about it.

This happened in the Big East Tournament a few years ago where that controversial ending took place with clock and all 3 officials basically not working the rest of the tournament.

St. John's was playing Rutgers in Madison Square Garden in an early round game. Well a St. John's player was at the FT line with about 6 seconds on the clock to go in the game. Well the horn was blown during the routine of the FT shooter. About 3 players on the FT lane turned away and reacted to horn being blown. Fortunately the FT shooter made the FTs but I used this video as an example to show what you might do or if this was a time to stop the game and redo or let it play out.

I am sure I can find it on YouTube were I pulled the video from.

Horn sounding on FT

Look at about 1:50 on the video and you will see what I am talking about.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is not a matter of if it is intentionally done IMO. I think the issue that it was done and you will have to decide if something should be done about it.

This happened in the Big East Tournament a few years ago where that controversial ending took place with clock and all 3 officials basically not working the rest of the tournament.

St. John's was playing Rutgers in Madison Square Garden in an early round game. Well a St. John's player was at the FT line with about 6 seconds on the clock to go in the game. Well the horn was blown during the routine of the FT shooter. About 3 players on the FT lane turned away and reacted to horn being blown. Fortunately the FT shooter made the FTs but I used this video as an example to show what you might do or if this was a time to stop the game and redo or let it play out.

I am sure I can find it on YouTube were I pulled the video from.

Horn sounding on FT

Look at about 1:50 on the video and you will see what I am talking about.

Peace

This was that infamous game with Burr and higgins - with the uncalled travel/OOB with time left on the clock at the end of the game...not to mention some controversial calls/no-calls in the last couple minutes.

OT - It's easy to say on paper that we shouldn't award a replacement, or if we do it for one team we do it for the other.l

In the real world, the visiting team in a close game with a shooter at the line who gets "buzzed" in the middle of their FT...just looks bad. I have no problem giving a replacement in the right circumstances.....

Originally Posted by icallfouls

We have a couple of coaches around here that I would not put it past to have an agreement with their clock operator to do this at just the right time.

....and this is why.

BTW - that was absolutely a bloody FOUL at the end of that Rut/SJ game...right Rut?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is not a matter of if it is intentionally done IMO. I think the issue that it was done and you will have to decide if something should be done about it.

So it was not intentionally done. You are more likely to allow an accident to happen to the home team?

This happened in the Big East Tournament a few years ago where that controversial ending took place with clock and all 3 officials basically not working the rest of the tournament.

St. John's was playing Rutgers in Madison Square Garden in an early round game. Well a St. John's player was at the FT line with about 6 seconds on the clock to go in the game. Well the horn was blown during the routine of the FT shooter. About 3 players on the FT lane turned away and reacted to horn being blown. Fortunately the FT shooter made the FTs but I used this video as an example to show what you might do or if this was a time to stop the game and redo or let it play out.

I am sure I can find it on YouTube were I pulled the video from.

Horn sounding on FT

Look at about 1:50 on the video and you will see what I am talking about.

Peace

We're talking about whether or not to award a replacement free throw and this is a video of a made free throw. In this video the ones that were distracted were the players along the lane, so they might have been prevented from getting a rebound. But he made it so it's kind of a moot point, especially with regard to the OP.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If this is a single incident, which hopefully it is, it would be totally unfair to assume it was intentionally done. Whatever you would do for one team in this case must be done for the other.

Really? Who says?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Really? Who says?

Uh, logic, common sense, and fair play? If I'm overlooking something, let's hear it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Uh, logic, common sense, and fair play? If I'm overlooking something, let's hear it.

If a home scorer hits a timer as a visiting player is shooting a free throw, there's no question I'm going to allow another throw. I'm not entirely certain I'd give the same latitude to a home player -- depends on the situation.

Same as if the timer is a bit slow stopping the clock -- I'm likely going to look at it a bit more carefully if the home timer does something marginal that disadvantages the visiting team.

They're supposed to be part of the officiating crew, but in most cases they are hired by the home team and in their hearts are not a neutral party.

[Adam]

Yes, I'd be more inclined to give a replacement shot to the visiting team. Right or wrong, I just would.

[just another ref]

Here's the problem I have.

Your extra consideration definitely favors one team.

You know that when you do it.

This is, in theory to rectify a disservice which was intentionally done by someone else, but you will never know whether it was intentional or not.



When your partner makes 3 calls in a row against one team which all look horrible to you, are you inclined to ignore a call against the other team?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I agree with Rut.

Did it distract the shooter?

That's how I justify it.

Fixed it for ya. No Charge!