No Good T Stories?

[the24kid]

I didn't give the t... but its a pretty good story. Got a last minute call to do a big varsity 730 tilt on a Friday night.. team a is a big AA school with a big ole loud mouth, unpopular to the refs coach, against an A team... since the A team was home.. turns into a 2 man game rather then a 3 man had it been at the AA school.. working with a big time ref.. this is my big break so I'm nervous as you could imagine... got a lot of tips from fellow refs who worked games for this clown... so I had a good idea how I was going to approach the situation if anything arose...

The game was a good up and down contest.. the whole first quarter and mid second quarter go without incident. Team A has a big 6'5 linebacking looking kid who gets the ball down the weak side post... I come ball side and team AA has a little guy come from behind and whack down on team A big man... I come up with the foul... I could have passed on it because it was ball/little arm but I blew and came out strong. Coach AA was not too happy(but he never is with officials)... I went and reported... went to my position as it was one and one...

The next thing I hear is TWEEEETTT technical foul... "But I wasn't talking to you... I was talking to him.. why can't he defend himself?" Turns out that as I walked away.. the coach said to no one in particular... "Go back to the freshman level" My partner was obviously not having any of this and whacked him right away... Now the coach is notorious for this type of behavior but I thought it was great that the vet took care of his rook.. now the question is..

If you would have heard what the coach said as the rook how would you have reacted?

There were no other incidents from him the rest of the game

[Adam]

That's a T in my game. Would probably be my easiest T of the year.

[jeschmit]

Last week I had quite the string of T's in my games (not all were given out by me)...

I don't call much HS ball, but I had 6 HS girls games for holiday tournaments last week. In my first game, we had to warn the coach at halftime for officiating from the sidelines too much. Two minutes into the 3rd quarter there was the best block of the game on his girl in the lane. He says, very loudly, "FOOO-ULLL!" WHACK. Easy one. Later on, my partner whacks a girl for arguing a foul call. Two T's in my first game. Oh, and after our second game, the coach was waiting for us in the hospitality room to talk to us about how inconstant we were during his game. We didn't have that, and a special report was filed to the state for his actions after the game (he is also the AD at his school... bush league).

My third game had a "fight" (one girl took a swing and hit the ball while the other girl called her a female dog). T'd both of them up and ejected the one for taking a swing. My partner later whacked a girl for throwing her arms in the air after a foul call on her.

In my sixth and final game, we had two different playing styles. One team pressed and played man, while the other team played a 2-3 sagging zone. Needless to say, the fouls were a little lopsided because of there being two different defenses run. Well, the assistant coach (who was more or less the head coach) who was losing in the foul count race couldn't figure it out. We warned her in the first half about complaining about the foul counts (they were 6-0 at the time). In between the third and fourth quarters, she came out of her huddle and screamed, "The fouls are 8 to 2!" Well that warranted a simultaneous whacking from two of us. She continued on about how terrible we are, and she was sent packing. The head coach apologized to us for her assistant's actions after the game...

What a week!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Adam

That's a T in my game. Would probably be my easiest T of the year.

Agreed. WHACK!

Glad your partner took care of you. It burns me to no end when a partner will let a coach or player slide on something because they were saying it about me, especially when the partner feels the need to tell you all about it after the game or at half time.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by the24kid

If you would have heard what the coach said as the rook how would you have reacted?

T, as in team. Remember, your partner is on your team.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by the24kid

I didn't give the t... but its a pretty good story. Got a last minute call to do a big varsity 730 tilt on a Friday night.. team a is a big AA school with a big ole loud mouth, unpopular to the refs coach, against an A team... since the A team was home.. turns into a 2 man game rather then a 3 man had it been at the AA school.. working with a big time ref.. this is my big break so I'm nervous as you could imagine... got a lot of tips from fellow refs who worked games for this clown... so I had a good idea how I was going to approach the situation if anything arose...

The game was a good up and down contest.. the whole first quarter and mid second quarter go without incident. Team A has a big 6'5 linebacking looking kid who gets the ball down the weak side post... I come ball side and team AA has a little guy come from behind and whack down on team A big man... I come up with the foul... I could have passed on it because it was ball/little arm but I blew and came out strong. Coach AA was not too happy(but he never is with officials)... I went and reported... went to my position as it was one and one...

The next thing I hear is TWEEEETTT technical foul... "But I wasn't talking to you... I was talking to him.. why can't he defend himself?" Turns out that as I walked away.. the coach said to no one in particular... "Go back to the freshman level" My partner was obviously not having any of this and whacked him right away... Now the coach is notorious for this type of behavior but I thought it was great that the vet took care of his rook.. now the question is..

If you would have heard what the coach said as the rook how would you have reacted?

There were no other incidents from him the rest of the game

Originally Posted by Adam

That's a T in my game. Would probably be my easiest T of the year.

If he was talking to his player, it would be as a sub is coming in for him.

[the24kid]

Sorry I wasn't that specific in my question... if you were in my situation and you had heard the coach telling YOU to go back to the freshman league.. how would you have reacted to him? I had a couple of different ideas... obviously one that included a T

[Rich]

Originally Posted by the24kid

Sorry I wasn't that specific in my question... if you were in my situation and you had heard the coach telling YOU to go back to the freshman league.. how would you have reacted to him? I had a couple of different ideas... obviously one that included a T

The only right response is a technical foul. Anything else proves the coach's point.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by the24kid

Sorry I wasn't that specific in my question... if you were in my situation and you had heard the coach telling YOU to go back to the freshman league.. how would you have reacted to him? I had a couple of different ideas... obviously one that included a T

The fact that it was a personal comment is all you need to say. Good for you sticking that coach.

Peace

[the24kid]

One of the veteran officials I deeply respect.. when he asked me what I would have done had I heard the comment rather then my partner hearing the comment I told him I would have whacked him. He told me it was a good option but then put this idea in my head... he said that for a person my age (early twenties), he thinks I would have gained a lot of respect from the coach, since nobody heard the comment in the gym since the gym was loud, if I had gone up to him and said " Coach, I will not tolerate comments like that. If I hear something like that again it will be a technical foul" and then jogged away... anybody like that response over a quick t?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by the24kid

One of the veteran officials I deeply respect.. when he asked me what I would have done had I heard the comment rather then my partner hearing the comment I told him I would have whacked him. He told me it was a good option but then put this idea in my head... he said that for a person my age (early twenties), he thinks I would have gained a lot of respect from the coach, since nobody heard the comment in the gym since the gym was loud, if I had gone up to him and said " Coach, I will not tolerate comments like that. If I hear something like that again it will be a technical foul" and then jogged away... anybody like that response over a quick t?

No.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by the24kid

One of the veteran officials I deeply respect.. when he asked me what I would have done had I heard the comment rather then my partner hearing the comment I told him I would have whacked him. He told me it was a good option but then put this idea in my head... he said that for a person my age (early twenties), he thinks I would have gained a lot of respect from the coach, since nobody heard the comment in the gym since the gym was loud, if I had gone up to him and said " Coach, I will not tolerate comments like that. If I hear something like that again it will be a technical foul" and then jogged away... anybody like that response over a quick t?

And then he would have continued with his BS and if you T's him for something else, not as personal then he would have accused you of taking his comments personally. I agree if no one hears the comments you have more leeway and you can say some things to make a point. But I have no problem with a T because he is trying to directly insult you. I started officiating in my early to mid-20s too and sometimes you have to take care of business. Because even if you said something like suggested, does not mean it would not escalate. And then on video you would be seen as being aggressive and out of line if the right eyes are watching. You might have been seen as baiting the coach with what you said. It would be a he said, he said situation and why deal with those facts.

Not sure if this applies to your area, but where I work we pass a lot of schools to work a game. You will be around a lot longer than most coaches and if you do not have his respect, you are not going to get it by having words with him after an inappropriate statement on his part.

Peace

[deecee]

Originally Posted by the24kid

One of the veteran officials I deeply respect.. when he asked me what I would have done had I heard the comment rather then my partner hearing the comment I told him I would have whacked him. He told me it was a good option but then put this idea in my head... he said that for a person my age (early twenties), he thinks I would have gained a lot of respect from the coach, since nobody heard the comment in the gym since the gym was loud, if I had gone up to him and said " Coach, I will not tolerate comments like that. If I hear something like that again it will be a technical foul" and then jogged away... anybody like that response over a quick t?

I disagree and would have told this veteran to grow some integrity and the proverbial sac that is needed to adjudicate and make tough decisions when needed. If anything you would have lost respect. He's a coach, not your friend, and you are an official. He insulted you and made it very personal and demeaning. There is nothing that needs to be said to him except take a seat for this here T you so thoroughly deserve.

I'd rather give a T and second guess myself whether or not it was good than NOT give one and regret it later. I can always apologize for an undeserving T and learn and move on, but I set a bad precedent when I make myself a doormat.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by the24kid

If I hear something like that again it will be a technical foul"?

No, not, never, don't say something like this, to a coach or a player. If, for some reason, you don't follow through when "again" comes up, you're toast. A comment like that is designed o test what you're made of. It was a personal comment, not "that call sucked." T the guy and be done with it. No need for it to be a T with a lot of histrionics attached. Just do it and walk away.

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

In my 3rd year and have never given a "T" to a coach yet..I am a big believer of issuing a bench warning and putting it in da book and so far that has done the trick to get my message across.

Question: If I issue a warning, is it wrong for my partner to then have a chat with that coach? Does it look like partner is selling me out?

You'll forgive me but I find it pretty unusual that in your first three years no coach has done something that rises to the level of a T.

As to part two, did you ask your partners why they decided to go have a chat with the coach?