"Jim Marshall" Play

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Good, because the "barking dog" play is illegal.

I remember that this "play" was declared illegal, and I'm not disagreeing with you because I always listen to bob, but do you have a citation to back it up for the rookies?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I remember that this "play" was declared illegal, and I'm not disagreeing with you because I always listen to bob, but do you have a citation to back it up for the rookies?

I believe it was part of the yearly interps. Trying to locate now.

[tjones1]

Just went through the archive and can't find it.

Maybe it was part of the Pre-Season Guide one year?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Just went through the archive and can't find it.

The dog barks.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The dog barks.

Bingo... knew it appeared in a Pre-Season Guide. Thanks.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I don't think it's a Bush League play.

Know where you're suppose to be and don't follow others. If you're listening/watching, thinking, and communicating with your teammates, you should figure it out.

Agreed. If this is a bush league play, then so is a shot fake or a backcut.

How dare they try to fool the opposition by playing within the rules.

[26 Year Gap]

It is up to the coach to catch on. A kid shooting at the wrong basket happens occasionally. However, as officials, we cannot shout out, "Don't shoot! You are at the wrong basket!" This falls into the same category.
As an aside, at a JV game prior to mine a few weeks ago, a team scored TWICE at the wrong end. My partner and I agreed that it sure would have been great if it were two different players. Not sure it was. We left it alone.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A jv coach should know better and be more on the ball than to let this happen to his team.

Maybe we should send an anonymous letter to the league commissioner, the principal, and the head coach that the jv coach who fell for this tactic should have his fingernails pulled out as punishment for not instructing his team which basket they should be defending

Thanks Devon!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Same. It's not our responsibility to tell the teams which direction they're going coming out of a time out. That's what coaches are for.

Really? We're not supposed to say the color and point when each team comes out of time-out or intermission?

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Really? We're not supposed to say the color and point when each team comes out of time-out or intermission?

I think that JetMet is really saying that it is not our responsibility to REMIND EACH TEAM which direction they are going following each time out. This play is only marginally different from the stack "loop" sideline inbounds play in which a player cuts back toward the backcourt and then loops around (frequently with the help of a screen) toward their attacking basket.

I had BOTH TEAMS in a 5th grade travel game go the wrong way following a throw-in after a timeout. And, YES, I clearly indicated with a signal and a verbal indication the direction of the team taking the throw-in. The throw-in team shot at the wrong basket. The other team got the rebound and went rapidly toward the division line. That team's coach yelled, "there going the wrong way" -- to which I responded, "I know." Fortunately, for him, he called time out BEFORE the player committed a violation.

The coach of the throw-in team was LIVID -- at HIS OWN TEAM -- as he actually had set up an inbounds play that they did not execute!!! As a coach, I have called many, many plays (like the "loop" play or screen-the-screener under the basket) that are 100% designed to deceive the defense into thinking my player was doing one thing when he was really doing something completely different.

This play is little different. This is a COACH problem -- for the defending team!!!

[jeremy341a]

A friend of mine was on a team in high school and run this play. Only they called it "ACT" in reference to the ACT test bc they said their opponents and rivals weren't smart enough to know it was coming.

On a side note the coachs of each team were former high school teammates.

[deecee]

When I coached freshman basketball I tried to run this play once and ended up getting a T.

I told my guys to line up, and the inbounder was to tell the inbounding official that we knew which way we were going, as such and let the officials do their thing and put the ball in play. The other team was confused but the inbounding official held up the game and told the opposing team to stay on that side because we were lined up on the wrong end of the court, and that my guys are lined up on the wrong side. Well I went ape and then I was sitting for the second half. That basket would have cut our deficit to 20

[letemplay]

So the T was not for running the play, but for your reaction to the ref giving away the play? Nice