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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And I don't think you'll get an answer -- it's not specifically covered. So, we need to officiate and decide if B is "listening in too soon" or if A is "taking too long on the TO" (and maybe I have the teams backwards) and address (which doesn't necessarily mean a T) the behavior.

Thank you. That is my point exactly. No matter how anyone says they would handle it or how others should handle it, they're treading in grey area where there is no direct rule support.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Thank you. That is my point exactly. No matter how anyone says they would handle it or how others should handle it, they're treading in grey area where there is no direct rule support.

Treading in grey areas is why they pay us the big bucks. Game management and good judgment aren't written in a rule book.

[OKREF]

Pretty simple to me. You get the opposing players out of the huddle. It is an unsporting act. If they or the coach don't want to respond then slap them with an unsporting technical foul.

Rule 10-4-1-D...Disrespectfully addressing, baiting, or taunting an opponent.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Pretty simple to me. You get the opposing players out of the huddle. It is an unsporting act. If they or the coach don't want to respond then slap them with an unsporting technical foul.

Rule 10-4-1-D...Disrespectfully addressing, baiting, or taunting an opponent.

Define out of the huddle. 2 feet away? 20 feet away? 5 feet away until the second horn sounds? Near their timeout area until the other team is out of the huddle? Does the throw in spot play a part in this (it could be near the team in the huddle)?

Grey area and possibly inconsistent application by officials. I would use communication and make some good attempts to get out of this situation without a technical foul.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Define out of the huddle. 2 feet away? 20 feet away? 5 feet away until the second horn sounds? Near their timeout area until the other team is out of the huddle? Does the throw in spot play a part in this (it could be near the team in the huddle)?

Grey area and possibly inconsistent application by officials. I would use communication and make some good attempts to get out of this situation without a technical foul.

I would say that I am going to keep them out of the opposing teams time out area until the 2nd horn, or possibly the 1st horn. I haven't really ever thought of this as it has never happened to me. I agree with Rich, I am not setting the ball down and putting the ball in play as soon as the second horn sounds. I would certainly allow each time to get on the floor and positioned in this situation.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Rich

I know I'm not responding to what I posted, but what the heck...I'm trying to avoid a paper I'm writing for my day job that's boring me silly, so here goes:

I have said in the past that I'm not exactly pushy when it comes to resuming play after a timeout. As long as the team is breaking the huddle at the second horn and moving back towards the court, I'm not going to do anything but wait and restart the game. If a team delays more than that, I'm likely going to go to the coach and tell him I don't want to put the ball on the floor, please get them out quicker or I'll have to do that. Then I'll do it....when the team's on offense.

I see so much more time wasted with foul reporting, free throw administration, and with other game situations that have nothing to do with the RPP, that I'm not terribly bothered by this. I think I put the ball down once or twice last season in about 60 games and haven't done so at all this season -- and no opposing coach has said anything. I recognize that it isn't that way in other parts of the country and if the coaches are used to such a procedure (like apparent BktBallRef's area), then everyone sing from the same hymn book. But I'd rather work with the coaches as best as I can before I have to resort to measures that will guarantee to annoy them, like putting the ball on the floor is likely to do.

I agree Rich...with everything you said.

Originally Posted by OKREF

I would say that I am going to keep them out of the opposing teams time out area until the 2nd horn, or possibly the 1st horn. I haven't really ever thought of this as it has never happened to me. I agree with Rich, I am not setting the ball down and putting the ball in play as soon as the second horn sounds. I would certainly allow each time to get on the floor and positioned in this situation.

I would say this grey area isn't so simple when the distance and time to "keep them out of the huddle" isn't clearly defined. Are you sure this is as simple as your previous post suggests? I think this is where some soft skills come into play. Setting the ball down is close to a last resort for me, but I think a T for the other team being in the huddle would be close to a last resort for me too.