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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:47pm
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Hadn't Seen this Before
I know the definition of the time-out area, so I don't need that posted, but I saw something odd during a BV tourney championship tonight and am curious about opinions.
1. 60-sec timeout, A is still in huddle standing on floor at first horn, B breaks huddle at first and B players come lean in A's huddle listening to coach. A coach notices as he breaks huddle and goes ballistic but doesn't get whacked. 2. A1 fouls out, A coach is on the clock to replace and calls team over for huddle on court, once again several B players come up behind A players and stick their ears in to listen. Coach goes crazy and gets whacked this time. In both cases, do you have anything? Last edited by rekent; Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 11:50pm. 
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:57am
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1. shoo the B guys away
2. This is not a timeout. They can go where they want.
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:30am
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For 1 though, I was wondering if it could be considered unsportsmanlike? Some backstory, these 2 teams are bitter rivals who really hate each other. Following 1, the head coaches had a nice heated exchange nose to nose at mid court.
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:35am
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:49am
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We've Discussed This Before ...
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:56am
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:58am
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Confused In Connecticut ???
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"A player that is supposed to be on their end of the court would all of a sudden be in front of the other bench during a timeout." "Certainly are not allowed to violate the sanctity of the opponent's huddle." "What is illegal about standing near someone's bench?" What am I missing here?
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:05pm
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Here's 5-11-2 A single 60-second time-out charged to a team shall not exceed one minute and shall be conducted within the confines of the time-out area. Invoke the elastic clause and tell Coach B, "Coach, both of you have to use your time-out area. The other team isn't finished using theirs yet. Keep your players away."
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:25pm
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"Such a time-out shall not be reduced in length unless both teams are ready to play before the time-out is over." I always thought that this rule was put in place to override the previous rule that the team that requested the timeout could unilaterally shorten the timeout. Could we use the newer wording to tell the "early" team that they are not allowed to shorten their timeout unilaterally, and must stay in their designated timeout area until the the other team has completed their timeout? One fly in the ointment, I don't see a penalty associated with this rule.
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:33pm
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As you said, though, the problem is there's no prescribed penalty if a team doesn't stay in its time-out area other than...making the players go back into the area.
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Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:18pm
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Now consider the fact that, in the OP, team B came out early but after the first horn. They're supposed to be breaking out of their huddle and getting prepared to play. Does this change any opinions (I'm not saying it should or shouldn't, just for discussion).
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