Hadn't Seen this Before
 

I know the definition of the time-out area, so I don't need that posted, but I saw something odd during a BV tourney championship tonight and am curious about opinions.

1. 60-sec timeout, A is still in huddle standing on floor at first horn, B breaks huddle at first and B players come lean in A's huddle listening to coach. A coach notices as he breaks huddle and goes ballistic but doesn't get whacked.

2. A1 fouls out, A coach is on the clock to replace and calls team over for huddle on court, once again several B players come up behind A players and stick their ears in to listen. Coach goes crazy and gets whacked this time.

In both cases, do you have anything?

1. shoo the B guys away

2. This is not a timeout. They can go where they want.

For 2, I thought the coach was out of luck and should just shutup.

For 1 though, I was wondering if it could be considered unsportsmanlike?

Some backstory, these 2 teams are bitter rivals who really hate each other. Following 1, the head coaches had a nice heated exchange nose to nose at mid court.

Probably a double T for the coach to coach exchange.

+1

Plus 2 on this one.

I also agree with JAR on the op.

#1. Get B away from the huddle.

#2. No time out. B can go there.

We've Discussed This Before ...
 

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post572763

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post462155

How is that relevant to this thread, Billy?

Citations Please ???
 

I would probably do the same as just another ref, and Thumper68, but I would love to have a rulebook, or casebook, reference to back me up.

Definitely. If you ring them each up after #1, #2 - even though they can do it - probably doesn't happen.

Confused In Connecticut ???
 

"One Home team member goes and stands right beside the Visitor's huddle."

"A player that is supposed to be on their end of the court would all of a sudden be in front of the other bench during a timeout."

"Certainly are not allowed to violate the sanctity of the opponent's huddle."

"What is illegal about standing near someone's bench?"

What am I missing here?

Billy, I can't find anything but how about this...

Here's 5-11-2
A single 60-second time-out charged to a team shall not exceed one minute and shall be conducted within the confines of the time-out area.

Invoke the elastic clause and tell Coach B, "Coach, both of you have to use your time-out area. The other team isn't finished using theirs yet. Keep your players away."

The Plot Thickens ...
 

Does this strengthen your citation?

"Such a time-out shall not be reduced in length unless both teams are ready to play before the time-out is over."

I always thought that this rule was put in place to override the previous rule that the team that requested the timeout could unilaterally shorten the timeout. Could we use the newer wording to tell the "early" team that they are not allowed to shorten their timeout unilaterally, and must stay in their designated timeout area until the the other team has completed their timeout?

One fly in the ointment, I don't see a penalty associated with this rule.

[QUOTE]Yeah, it could. It might end up limiting teams to standing in their time-out areas until everyone is ready but it does help.

As you said, though, the problem is there's no prescribed penalty if a team doesn't stay in its time-out area other than...making the players go back into the area.

Now consider the fact that, in the OP, team B came out early but after the first horn. They're supposed to be breaking out of their huddle and getting prepared to play. Does this change any opinions (I'm not saying it should or shouldn't, just for discussion).